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     Nerd's POV | [q]2011-07-14 01:02
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#1 | [q]2011-07-13 22:25
I think you guys should see this (I didn't show it before because I hadn't saved it and didn't look for it before the thread got closed):

[23:26:01] Console: moti is no longer SPECTATING
[23:26:07] NerD NF: /forcespectate 4 on
[23:26:07] Console: moti is now SPECTATING
[23:26:12] moti: you are not going to duel
[23:26:19] Console: moti is no longer SPECTATING
[23:26:19] NerD NF: stfu
[23:26:22] moti: hey
[23:26:23] moti: behave
[23:26:32] NerD NF: I've got 35 minutes
[23:26:39] moti: i dont give a fuck
[23:26:43] moti: not my bussiness
[23:27:00] moti: he has you deep in his ass
[23:27:02] Console: DragoN[VS] is no longer SPECTATING
[23:27:03] moti: dont you see?
[23:27:03] DragoN[VS]: !!
[23:27:09] kimoCC: LMFAOOO DRAMA
[23:27:10] NerD NF: I'm fed up with you
[23:27:12] kimoCC: *picks back the popcorn*
[23:27:17] moti: XD
[23:27:21] NerD NF: /ban 35m 4 rejoin after the round

I banned moti for 35 minutes (aka until the end of the round) because she first spectated off two times and then started insulting me. It showed me she was clearly not interested in letting me accomplish what I want to, and was actually trying to prevent me from playing the match. (To be exact, Warrior refused to play on the server, but I'm quite sure I would have got him to play there, too, by letting him choose the map, so I don't think her excuse for spectating off was valid.) Also, since when has reserving a server for a match been forbidden? I don't think I made any kind of mistake there. The mistake I made was letting the thread about Toni appear and grow.

Sorry for derailing the thread, but I wanted people not to have an incorrect picture of what happened. What caused people to see the event in a bad light was probably me leaving soon after banning her (Warrior found a server). And yeah, probably that JDC is important for me at the moment.

About my views on the actual topic of the thread, I think one thing that has caused flamewars is the crew being biased towards certain clans. NF, for instance, had four of them, counting DZ. Limiting the number of Trustees and Moderators from a single clan might be able to handle this. Something like two per clan might be more appropriate; however, I'm only suggesting an upper bound here. I think clans should only receive Trustees after having existed for a good period of time to prevent abuse, and there's always a chance to have a clan like RL...
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#2 | [q]2011-07-13 22:44
ok I believe this isn't an off-topic post, it's about an admin so i can comment yay.

[23:26:12] moti: you are not going to duel
[23:26:19] NerD NF: stfu
[23:26:22] moti: hey
[23:26:23] moti: behave
[23:26:32] NerD NF: I've got 35 minutes
[23:27:02] Console: DragoN[VS] is no longer SPECTATING
[23:27:10] NerD NF: I'm fed up with you
[23:27:21] NerD NF: /ban 35m 4 rejoin after the round

yeah moti insulted too but u got that LOW to play her game and even banned her because of DIFFERENT opinions, or about 165 points. i don't want to take moti's part, but I think i've to because she was right. "i could have convinced war to play there" doesn't sound too solid, don't you think? and until u would do that, she had all the rights to play, even if you thought u were going to play even tho war stated CLEARLY he won't duel there. btw, dragon spectated off too and u didn't say anything about it. coincidence?

nerd, what do u think moti is? some kind of bad witch who tried to ruin all of ur JDC matches? i think she's actually got better things to do emo)

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The mistake I made was letting the thread about Toni appear and grow.


*cough* we're sorry to *cough* disappoint you and *cough* actually share an opinion about *cough* ur clan members *cough*.
yes, u should have closed it, that would've been a real smart move emo

i disagree with "2 members per clan" idea. there are a lot of exceptions as u can actually see from the actual clans (for example: anubis, gry and veg are from the same clan and all of them deserve to be admins. however, i wouldn't say the same about Cpt.) do you understand my point? emo
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#3 | [q]2011-07-13 23:02
KiMO, if you wantt to post logs, either put some space between snippets of it, or do not take anything between parts of the log. That looks like you are trying to hide something.

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or about 165 points.


What would you do if you could kick/ban in a server, you were going to play a CW, you would have some disagreements about choosing a server and some dickhead comes unspectating and jumping around and insulting you?
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#4 | [q]2011-07-13 23:04
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u got that LOW to play her game


She wasn't going to play, all she wanted to do was running around, and we were going to duel with Warrior.

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and even banned her because of DIFFERENT opinions, or about 165 points


I banned her because she was interfering with a game.

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i don't want to take moti's part, but I think i've to because she was right.


About what?

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"i could have convinced war to play there" doesn't sound too solid, don't you think?


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even if you thought u were going to play even tho war stated CLEARLY he won't duel there.


Facts, but it would have happened anyway (he had promised to duel me, so he had to do that sooner or later anyway). Also, "would" and "could" are substantially different emo

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and until u would do that, she had all the rights to play


She was going to run around, and there wasn't going to be a match, as Warrior was out.

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btw, dragon spectated off too and u didn't say anything about it. coincidence?


Nope, he didn't insult me, and I was dealing with moti then. I'd have forcespectated him afterwards, had Warrior not found a host.

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nerd, what do u think moti is? some kind of bad witch who tried to ruin all of ur JDC matches? i think she's actually got better things to do emo)


Actually she claimed to have intended to do that (almost certainly a joke, but anyway emo). What annoys me here isn't moti, but you.

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*cough* we're sorry to *cough* disappoint you and *cough* actually share an opinion about *cough* ur clan members *cough*.
yes, u should have closed it, that would've been a real smart move emo


With "letting it appear" I meant us making that joke in the server (and not hiding the thread immediately, which would have prevented the whole thing from happening). With "letting it grow" I meant not making it clear in time that he's not a Trustee. Are you misinterpreting me on purpose and insulting me for that?

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i disagree with "2 members per clan" idea. there are a lot of exceptions as u can actually see from the actual clans (for example: anubis, gry and veg are from the same clan and all of them deserve to be admins. however, i wouldn't say the same about Cpt.) do you understand my point? emo


I wasn't talking about them not deserving to be admins, I was talking about ordinary community members thinking having several admins from one clan is unfair (remember that flamewar on the CC bias? It was about JJnet though). Besides, we don't need that many Trustees, a few active ones would do imo. Also, I mentioned "clans like RL", if you were talking about that emo (but it's probably more about the members themselves in Cpt., they aren't controlled by a single power abuser like RL was)
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#5 | [q]2011-07-14 06:19
I honestly agree with Nerd.She could've go to an another srv to run.


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#6 | [q]2011-07-14 09:04
this time nerd is right,he was first there so he could play,moti should have taken another srv.
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#7 | [q]2011-07-14 09:59
ok quoting now

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She wasn't going to play, all she wanted to do was running around, and we were going to duel with Warrior.


LOL i didn't mean that u should have actually dueled her, I meant that u got that low to argue with her about something she found ridiculous already (a match that wasn't gonna be played).

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and even banned her because of DIFFERENT opinions, or about 165 points


WHAT. GAME. u. weren't. gonna. fucking. play. there. is that clear enough for u? jeez, are u that dumb or are u doing this on purpose? i don't have the chatlogger but both of us know that it's the truth, but i see u didn't show the part with war so i'm gonna summarize it.

warrior: we are not dueling here because it's too laggy.
so YOU WEREN'T GOING TO DUEL THERE.
warrior: i go find another server.
HE WENT FIND ANOTHER SERVER, SO THEN AGAIN I'M SAYING U WEREN'T GONNA DUEL IN THAT SERVER.
moti spectated off.
even though she wanted to play or just run, she had all the rights to do both of them. ZD isn't ur server Nerd and u can't use it on ur JDC non-existent matches. the fact that u wanted to convince War to play there is something TOTALLY DIFFERENT than actually playing there with him. nor of us who were there online could have known u were gonna do that, so even I could spec off and play or just run.


and guess what u also didn't show from the chatlogger. the part when u didn't even duel on the zd u banned moti because war left and found another server. Jake, if nerd can hide several quotes from that game, why can't i do the same?

@lahm&iustyn, what are u stating? that Moti should have found another server just because nerd was "going to convince" war to duel there even though HE DIDN'T in the end? yeah doesn't sound very smart.

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Actually she claimed to have intended to do that (almost certainly a joke, but anyway ). What annoys me here isn't moti, but you.


Lol i think i was there when moti was kidding about that and lemme say it was an OBVIOUS JOKE. u totally need to understand some jokes, of course she wouldn't have never done that, because unlike others *points nerd*, she actually has got a life. ofc i'm the one annoying u because im the only one to talk here and take moti's part and actually get some strong arguments against you.

so my last request for nerd is to show us the whole chatlogger, not only the parts he wanted to. the full one contains my 2 kicks and war's comment i summarized up. and also, Nerd 4213324542814238 requests for war to "come back from finding a server and -i quote- go fucking play there now".
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#8 | [q]2011-07-14 10:14
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ZD isn't ur server Nerd

This! It's neither yours, nor jjnet people's. It's Danny's. And that's the only person you should talk to about what Nerd has done instead of searching for support on some random forum. If you have problem with an admin, you go talk to the host, not the players; and that's basically the main mistake you did.


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#9 | [q]2011-07-14 12:24
SE: Nerd has obviously got another idea than the rest of us of what constitutes good behaviour in ZD. This is something that isn't covered by the current rules. Can you "reserve" a server like that for a game you haven't even arranged yet? As far as I know, no one else has done it before Nerd, so it isn't weird that it causes some kind of reaction.

DanZeal really doesn't mind our discussing whether a trustee action was wrong or right - he's just not a big fan of people demanding his trust instead of earning it, so eventhough Kimo's writing style is way below acceptable level, covered in insults, you can stop telling people that a discussion is useless. If you don't wanna talk about it, just ignore the thread.

Nerd wanted to set things straight. Not everyone seems to agree with his conclusions, but it's obvious that there is a hole in the rules, so there's no need to really resent Nerd for it either.
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#10 | [q]2011-07-14 12:26
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how am I supposed to talk with an admin about what his teammate (and actual leader of NF like he is) has done? i won't find any support there imo.. btw i never stated my ZD is mine or anyone's but dz's.

Don't imply that DZ can't keep his roles as an NF-leader, JJnet admin and ZD owner apart, please. You really have no idea what you are talking about there.
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#11 | [q]2011-07-14 12:26
Let's fix the rules!

kick list pls k thx


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#12 | [q]2011-07-14 13:29
gry i didn't mean it that way lol, honestly I dont care about how my writing style is "below acceptable level" to u, as long as u can understand me im fine with it emo
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#13 | [q]2011-07-14 13:56
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how am I supposed to talk with an admin about what his teammate (and actual leader of NF like he is) has done? i won't find any support there imo.. btw i never stated my ZD is mine or anyone's but dz's.


Prejudices. How would you even know, you diden't even try. You got alot less support from me by doing it this way. Also, next time, try asking nicely. Seems like there are many who don't know how to do that.


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#14 | [q]2011-07-14 14:01
im sorry. i am going to delete that message even though I know it won't make any difference. emo
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#15 | [q]2011-07-14 14:04
i really didn't mean to sound that rude way
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#16 | [q]2011-07-14 14:07
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Prejudices. How would you even know, you diden't even try.


Should I say that for some other stuff too? emo


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#17 | [q]2011-07-14 19:14
hmm.. I think this part of chatlog should clarify things a bit:

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[23:24:34] DragoN[VS]: emo
[23:24:37] moti: emo
[23:24:37] GaLana[VS]: hahaha
[23:24:43] DragoN[VS]: potem tylko chatloga czytac
[23:24:45] GaLana[VS]: dalej bedzie spor o duela
[23:24:47] GaLana[VS]: emo
[23:24:48] GaLana[VS]: taa
[23:25:07] DragoN[VS]: to moze oni sie pozala, a inni zagraja cos? :p


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[23:24:34] DragoN[VS]: emo
[23:24:37] moti: emo
[23:24:37] GaLana[VS]: hahaha
[23:24:43] DragoN[VS]: then just read the chatlog
[23:24:45] GaLana[VS]: and they'll keep disputing about the duel
[23:24:47] GaLana[VS]: emo
[23:24:48] GaLana[VS]: yeah
[23:25:07] DragoN[VS]: so, let's play something while they're complaining still? :p


Now try to tell people we WEREN'T about to play, Nerd...
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#18 | [q]2011-07-14 19:19
Well, a weak defense would be that Nerd can't be expected to know what you say in Polish
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#19 | [q]2011-07-14 19:21
Idd, its not like he was supposed to know you were about to play as you were talking Polish.

But that doesn't mean I really agree with how he handled things here though =P
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#20 | [q]2011-07-14 23:19
I HAD arranged that duel, Warrior just refused the server. He had promised to duel me before the round ends, so had he not found a host, it would've defaulted to ZD. You can't refuse a CW either because "all the available servers are laggy".
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#21 | [q]2011-07-14 23:23
JDC doesn't have our rules set though
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#22 | [q]2011-07-14 23:26
But a JDC duel ISN'T a CW, that's the difference.. Also, from what my chatlog says, he didn't really seem to be willing to play that duel.
Also, sorry for drilling the topic, but from my point of view this looks a bit bs-ish. There's one question still going around: Why couldn't you switch the server when moti said so? We even unspectated to get ready to play and then boom you came and screwed it up. Man..
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#23 | [q]2011-07-15 00:10
Nerd was obviously under pressure because a lot of JDC points were at stake and he didn't have much time left until the end of the round, and yet moti still decided to piss Nerd off, even after seeing he wasn't in a good mood (NerD NF: stfu). I know moti goes like "guys don't fight, this is a rabbit game" all the time here, but for some people the game and especially tournaments in this game can be more serious (Nerd has a serious chance to win a tournament), and you shouldn't piss them off like this even if you're just kidding. Well fine, you are moti, you like annoying and pissing people off and then playing the innocent girl, and I can't tell you what to do and what not to do emo You got banned but you were kinda asking for it. There were certainly other free ZDs at the time, you guys could have easily switched to another server and played, it doesn't take more than a few seconds (a ban counts only for the ZD server you were banned from if I'm correct). But no, instead of this some of you decide to come here and make an unneeded fuss out of it. Moti knows she isn't innocent (and said it herself too, nobody is completely innocent in a fight) so she didn't complain about her ban here, I respect her for that. She might annoy people but she doesn't start unnecessary conflicts like some people here.
Are you guys trying to be her lawyer or something? Actually Kimo seems to be the only one looking for drama here, and Galana dropping by in the discussion by translating some Polish sentences which Nerd couldn't have possibly understood. How was he supposed to know you wanted to play? And don't forget admins are humans too and they can take wrong decisions if you decide to tease them on purpose when they are in a bad mood. That's obviously quite unprofessional behaviour, but it's also Nerd's first real mistake as far as I'm concerned.
(Well, the joke with Toni wasn't that professional of him to do either, but hey, fooling an experienced player that you've really logged in with the Trustee password isn't something that happens very often emo shouldn't have turned into such a fight though, I guess it was about Kimo and Jake/Toni not liking each other (and Jake being someone who easily bans people), not about the joke itself).
Is it really something worth ranting about? Galana is at least not making such a big deal out of it, but she has the right to complain about it of course. I know people like Nerd always want to be right so that they can keep their reputation up, but he should admit his behaviour was unprofessional not only in the case with Kimo, but in moti's case as well. And then end of story, no point in further arguing.
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#24 | [q]2011-07-15 00:21
Gud post Alex. I approve. emo
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#25 | [q]2011-07-15 00:59
Yeah, and I guess it's time to close this thread after a good summary, bye emo