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     HELP, BIG TROUBLE | [q]2011-12-14 13:49
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Hi all, we played a Ladder against aEs. I played with a new Nickname. For joke i told i'm new. Now i wanna sumbit the match and they tell: "We didn't play a Ladder Match". He tells i will get a ban because i faked someone (My new nick Êxpirit-Ês-<- Berkan-Ês-) It has no player called EXPIRIT so i didn't fake someone help.
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#1 | [q]2011-12-14 14:02
who won
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#2 | [q]2011-12-14 14:13
You cheated in the ladder match.


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#3 | [q]2011-12-14 14:14
There's no real rule about this as far as I know. You should however be open about who you are. I understand why they can get pissed off.

Edit: how did he? Last time I kicked Berkan for possible unlimited ammo people were resistant with agreeing.
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#4 | [q]2011-12-14 14:16
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You cheated in the ladder match.


Proof?


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#5 | [q]2011-12-14 14:16
He used unlimited ammo again, people saw him spawning with full ammo.


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#6 | [q]2011-12-14 14:18
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He used unlimited ammo again, people saw him spawning with full ammo.


When saying "people", who are you referring to?


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#7 | [q]2011-12-14 14:21
Sulfur saw him respawn with ammo and told that to me. He doesn't know it's called unlimited ammo, I doubt he saw it before so I don't see why would he lie. I think the others saw him as well, the map was semi so there was no way he could get any ammo on base.


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#8 | [q]2011-12-14 15:13
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Sulfur saw him respawn with ammo

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unlimited ammo

Also, by 'respawn with ammo' do you mean Sulfur saw him shooting, or he saw him with seekers or something 'chosen'?
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#9 | [q]2011-12-14 15:46
I think Sulfur saw him shooting seekers on Semi after he respawned, I'll ask him again.


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#10 | [q]2011-12-14 15:55
ya that is right !
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#11 | [q]2011-12-14 17:34
If they're powered, then it was probably cheating. If they weren't, it was probably a bug. (yes, there's a bug in which when after you die, you may have few ammo already).


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#12 | [q]2011-12-14 18:17
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(yes, there's a bug in which when after you die, you may have few ammo already).
O rly now? emo

Sounds like he used "spawn with ammo" (which removes the lines of code that remove your ammo when you die), if he indeed was seen shooting suspicious ammo right after spawning.
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#13 | [q]2011-12-14 18:40
There is a bug where you keep your ammo when you die, just as you can keep the flag when you die.
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#14 | [q]2011-12-14 18:45
Considering spawning with ammo or not works locally, I really doubt such bug exists. That only happens when you "die" without dying at your screen. Aka lag. Otherwise if your Jazz2 registers you die, you will lose ammo unless you cheat.
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#15 | [q]2011-12-14 19:10
Considering spawning with ammo or not works locally, I really doubt such bug exists. That only happens when you "die" without dying at your screen. Aka lag. Otherwise if your Jazz2 registers you die, you will lose ammo unless you cheat.
berkan is from turkey and he lags.IDD.though he cheated a bit(veg knows it as well)


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#16 | [q]2011-12-14 19:21
well as far as i know berkan often happens to be 'a little' lagger so i guess he could have that lag described above. imo to make things the most fair, this ladder could be replayed with referee, thats all. because its a bit too late to prove anything and a chatlog where some pupil says that someones cheating isnt really a proof. there are few people who can be a referee, these are: andrzej, dan zeal, djazzy, fawful, grytolle, me, nerd, sasik, sj and warrior. just ask one of them about refereeing when you feel like needed it. just play this ladder again and problem solved (1 point w te czy we w te).
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#17 | [q]2011-12-14 19:22
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berkan is from turkey and he lags.IDD.though he cheated a bit(veg knows it as well)

Ok, back to a more intelligent discussion. If Berkan used unlimited ammo, I guess a missing proof would let him get of lightly for now. Just too bad his reputation may allow several self-proclaimed pwners and bosses to make fun of him, while their own potential bad behaviors are kept secret in the dark for whatever time. And I do not doubt if these exist.

Anyway, in my opinion it is aES' fault if they accepted to ladder without knowing who their opponents were, and I would therefore let this ladder be valid. For the possible cheating, I already doubted its provableness.


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#18 | [q]2011-12-14 19:30
I joined while this argument wha going on, so unfortunatly I haven't seen if there was any cheating involved or not...
However, the server should have recorded the chatlog, so if anyone wants that I can provide it once I got visit the building where the server is located (in 1.5 weeks)

By the way, Sulfur, about what you said about removing Ês from the servername, was it serious or were you just pissed off?

(and plus should implement an (optional) server-side check for weird ammo changes, or else ill try making it although im busy)


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#19 | [q]2011-12-14 19:36
Plus hasn't implemented anything for over a year...
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#20 | [q]2011-12-14 19:53
'there are few people who can be a referee, these are: andrzej, dan zeal, djazzy, fawful, grytolle, me, nerd, sasik, sj and warrior. just ask one of them about refereeing when you feel like needed it. just play this ladder again and problem solved (1 point w te czy we w te).
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I wanna see some evidence
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#21 | [q]2011-12-14 20:02
I did some research. It is very unlikely, however possible, for a player to respawn with powered up ammo, including seeks in semi. Ping doesn't matter, I suppose it might be possible even for the host. Ofc, certain conditions must be met, I don't really feel like explaining. Still, imo, it can randomly, rarely happen during serious games.

Which doesn't mean it had to happen during that one. I'm neutral, just saying this situation can be achieved without cheats.


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#22 | [q]2011-12-14 20:25
Fun, didn't know emo. I know if your jj2 doesn't register that you died cause of whatever reason/packet loss, you simply walk on with 1h on your own screen. Perhaps you may lose the flag though if you carry it. It won't let you respawn at a start position either.

Anyway, I do agree that without evidence it's pretty much impossible to tell if someone cheated. I'm all in favour of seeing a program created which shows if someone cheated or not.

So basically.. Create a program which looks several possible cheats up like unlimited ammo, spawn with ammo, high resolution hack, radar and all that stuff that was ever put in the world. If someone is caught cheating it should update a server, give the IP, the time/date and what exact cheat. No ladders should be played without every player using that program anymore then or something, heh.

But I dunno if that can be achieved and if you can bypass that too (probably). - Or well, maybe a program that looks for edited code/packets could work already emo. Anything changed by a player that shouldn't be played is usually a cheat I guess(?).
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#23 | [q]2011-12-14 20:33
I have the chatlogger: http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/0555 The screens are: http://www.speedyshare.com/file/EvaSK/aEs-00.PNG and http://www.speedyshare.com/file/dDY4A/aEs-01.PNG . in both levels berkan has the best stats, so some people will probably assume sulfur is telling the truth and berkan is lying. sulfur claims that berkan cheated. I would like to play this ladder again with a referee, I hope we can get the same teams together and play it again sometime; if not, could aEs please verify the ladder. since you really don't have any proof that berkan cheated.
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#24 | [q]2011-12-14 20:47
I'd get the entire chatlog from wKtK, if he keeps the server chatlogs. That might reveal more.


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#25 | [q]2011-12-14 21:33
You called?

http://pastebin.com/LKyKDuZt

This is what i have atm. It's not complete, but it can be merged with Ashurna's log to cover most of the match+after time.

Hope it helps, and i'll update with the full one once i get to the holy room of servers emo


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