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     JJ2 competetive scene: trustworthy? | [q]2012-01-17 15:59
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Hi all,

I wish to give you guys some information that may alter the entire jj2 competetive scene.
First, no, and I mean no game which is played at the ladder is trustworthy anymore. Every game may have someone playing with radar and it isn't traceable.

Now players may be wondering why in the world I would state such thing. First of all, I got my hands on Radar v2 today. I know exactly what is possible now. The levellist this radar version works on: Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.

I can test it out with you guys if you want, I dont care. I can give all information by just checking radar basically. I even know everybodies health.

Ah, I also dont need teamchat anymore because I know when my flagcarrier is low and I know when to shout "S" because I can see enemy flagcarrier getting 1. All automatically.

Now I cannot tell how long this has been around already, I just know from a source he's been given a couple of untraceable Radar versions already.

I'll be able to show screenshots and I will be able to give evidence of everything I am stating. You can come visit me at my house and I'll show you everything (of radar *cough*) for that matter.

Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.

Enjoy.

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#1 | [q]2012-01-17 16:00
Screenshots:

(warning: big screenshot[s])

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2255/radared.png
http://imageshack.us/f/26/radar1.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/822/radar2.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/854/radar3.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/714/radar4.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/600/radar5.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/835/radar6.png/
http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/9725/radar7.png
http://imageshack.us/f/705/radar8.png/
http://imageshack.us/f/201/radar9.png/

Artems screenshot:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2nqzdq1.png

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#2 | [q]2012-01-17 16:05
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Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.

Yes, it is theoretically possible, but the kind of people who can't generate maps for every level instead of adding a couple of minimaps made in paint do not possess the capacity to bypass a well-written monitoring program.

But until such a time, nothing has really changed: JJ2 has been easy to cheat on for years, and the only thing you really could do was to trust your opponents and teammates. So basically, just don't ladder people who you don't trust.
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#3 | [q]2012-01-17 16:08
FUC- CHEATERS FUC- CHEATERS FUC- CHEATERS!!!!!! I will like every cheater who cheated with this IN A BAD WAY to die. I would like his PC to explode and kill him. Or even better, broke his legs or arms, and he stays alive without them :@ :@ :@ I AM ANGRY . HOW COULD YOU DO THIS FOR THIS LOVELY GAME ??? Damnit. GIMME THE LIST OF THOSE PPL PLEASE!
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#4 | [q]2012-01-17 16:14
Thanks Artem.
emo emo emo emo emo
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#5 | [q]2012-01-17 16:14
Toni wants me to die emo
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#6 | [q]2012-01-17 16:16
Cheaters are pathetic who can't achieve nothing in real life, they just have to cheat to feel good. I hope this new version will be detectable, and the punishments should be really more tough. People who have cheated alot and keep doing it after being punished they have to be banned permanently, they show no mercy to fair players? Good. The cheaters can expect the same in return.

PS. I am talking about cheaters who cheat during competitive matches, if you cheat in a server without anything serious going on, its ok. emo


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#7 | [q]2012-01-17 16:18
Hey I decided after I got banned if I will come back for playing jj2 only without any cheats, It is truth that me and Robee cheated for month in 2010. I can tell you that if I will find out someone if cheating from my crew He will get kicked out as fast as possible. Today Hakum wrote me a message that Darklight asked Artem for making radar v2, now I got in team invites that Artem wants to join your team. I won't let him join because He made radar once again, I don't know why He did it, one year ago He was your hero guys because He was working with Grytolle on banning all cheaters, now that hero made radar once again.

Artem team invites

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#8 | [q]2012-01-17 16:20
This radar is not detectable I'm afraid Laro. Not that I know anyway. As Gry said someone will have to make a *good* anti cheating tool. That'll keep players busy for a while Im sure. And Slayer is right.
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#9 | [q]2012-01-17 16:23
Well, thats just a shame. Don't worry, justice always prevail. emo


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#10 | [q]2012-01-17 16:23
HAHAHA SR? You said he is a Hero? You kiddin me ? NOONE CAN BE A HERO IF HE DID A MISTAKE ONCE. He did it once and was a hero later... for someone... not for me. He did it again, and he is a STUPID FOOL WHAT DESERVES TO DIE. I would like his brain to explode and be everywhere in the world. Fuc- you Artem. I am pissed off.
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#11 | [q]2012-01-17 16:24
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#12 | [q]2012-01-17 16:25
The only possible choice: Pausing the tournament by now on, until someone makes antitool or a new plus what blocks THIS PIECE OF SHI-.
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#13 | [q]2012-01-17 16:27
emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo
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#14 | [q]2012-01-17 16:27
(I'm so sorry),
And after someone makes antitool or a new plus that blocks radar2, someone will make radar3 that cant be detected by someone's antitool or a new plus that blocks radar2.
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#15 | [q]2012-01-17 16:30
and I will PERSONALLY ask Nimrod to ban your IP from JJ2 serverlist if possible.
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#16 | [q]2012-01-17 16:33
not a problem, I can change IP
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#17 | [q]2012-01-17 16:37
and will PERSONALLY ask russian mafia to kill you. I just need donations from some ppl. Wanna bet that you can't get another life instead ?
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#18 | [q]2012-01-17 16:37
IP ban is not an exit of the situation too... Do we have another choice?


Haha Toni, I don't think we have mafia emo


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#19 | [q]2012-01-17 16:38
IP ban doesn't matter in this case, it doesn't stop this from spreading and I am sure it'll spread fast enough. We need someone to code some good anti cheating tool imo, heh.
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#20 | [q]2012-01-17 16:39
Banning Artem from JJ2, if even possible, is irrational and counterproductive: He will make more cheating tools as revenge and you can't block him from using msn or other means to distribute them.
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#21 | [q]2012-01-17 16:39
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We need someone to code some good anti cheating tool imo, heh.


Again? Gosh, I think story is going to be repeat xd
Let's wait for RADAR4 then (not kidding, it may be serious infection)


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#22 | [q]2012-01-17 16:41
gg for internet criminals. emo


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#23 | [q]2012-01-17 16:45

emo emo emo

WTF. Seriously. It only works for a select amout of lvls? Uses minimaps? MINIMAPS? You arn't even able to generate it by reading lvl + tileset? omg.
-_-'

And that isn't even the worst. First of all, let me state that I do NOT dissapprove of hacking, or making this kind of tools.
However, It's just lame to abuse them by using them in ladders, or handing them out to the whole comunnity in a way that they can't be regulated. Thanks for screwing up the ladder system.
I'll have to write my own detector/scanner/something now, just to ensure someone doesn't cheat...

It seems the one who made this isn't a real hacker, but merely what we call a 'scriptkiddie' who uses other peoples code to make simple hack programs and has absolutly no respect for the 'power' which comes with the abillity to cheat in this way.
And forgive me for quoting this, but "With great power comes great responsibillity"

yeah, I mad. Please be so kind to cheer me up by telling me what that "cloud at my rabbit when im 1 or 2" function does :s


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...
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#24 | [q]2012-01-17 16:48
If you ever played against Hakum you will understand.
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#25 | [q]2012-01-17 16:51
Serious, what shall we do now?
if we cant detect this, maybe we should turn this just into a competition of who has the best cheating program...


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...
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