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     JJ2 competetive scene: trustworthy? | [q]2012-01-17 15:59
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Hi all,

I wish to give you guys some information that may alter the entire jj2 competetive scene.
First, no, and I mean no game which is played at the ladder is trustworthy anymore. Every game may have someone playing with radar and it isn't traceable.

Now players may be wondering why in the world I would state such thing. First of all, I got my hands on Radar v2 today. I know exactly what is possible now. The levellist this radar version works on: Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.

I can test it out with you guys if you want, I dont care. I can give all information by just checking radar basically. I even know everybodies health.

Ah, I also dont need teamchat anymore because I know when my flagcarrier is low and I know when to shout "S" because I can see enemy flagcarrier getting 1. All automatically.

Now I cannot tell how long this has been around already, I just know from a source he's been given a couple of untraceable Radar versions already.

I'll be able to show screenshots and I will be able to give evidence of everything I am stating. You can come visit me at my house and I'll show you everything (of radar *cough*) for that matter.

Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.

Enjoy.

Coders perhaps go here instead of reading this spam.
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#51 | [q]2012-01-17 17:08
In other words, that's why they invented LAN Parties, I guess.

BTW, I don't believe we Combat [for Lack of a better word] illetion :-# with spyware.
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#52 | [q]2012-01-17 17:08
@CrazyRabbit
im baking already
Zoro
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#53 | [q]2012-01-17 17:08
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ask artem what he wants, give it him, he will shutdown all programs


Hehe, easily easily. I know Artem's behavior, he never calm down.
He's some kind of joker. Maybe he's a good programmer (really?) but still he's a kid...

I don't think that's good idea...


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#54 | [q]2012-01-17 17:09
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ask artem what he wants


Yeah, ask a troll/scriptkiddie what he wants and give it him, maybe he'll stop...

-_-


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#55 | [q]2012-01-17 17:09
I updated my previous post. Too much spam.

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...classname and title...

Well, now it has come this far, maybe it IS the best to include a program that must be activated in order to play ladders... However it must include strong encryption, or its protocol will get hacked too.


Yah, it'll help. Harmen: I could care less about him pwning me or whatever, that's not the point of this thread. I am hoping to bring some programmers together to actually create an anti cheating tool everybody has to run when playing a ladder. This should avoid any cheating for quite some time.

KRSplat: any idea what else to do then? emo
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#56 | [q]2012-01-17 17:11
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I am hoping to bring some programmers together to actually create an anti cheating tool everybody has to run when playing a ladder. This should avoid any cheating for quite some time.


Don't forget I am also trying the same on JCF and on MSN :$

CR: Delete that bs post.
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#57 | [q]2012-01-17 17:12
Maybe whe should move the programming discussion to JCF, and keep the ragin here then?


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#58 | [q]2012-01-17 17:13
im bad in ctf

NOT IN 2012

*trollface*
ffs how to insert an image, I want to insert trollface

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They told you why they want it?


16.01.2012 0:44:53 Naumov Artem ... ĐarkLightCÇ u mean
16.01.2012 0:44:54 Naumov Artem ... ĐarkLightCÇ radar1?
16.01.2012 0:44:58 ... ĐarkLightCÇ Naumov Artem yes
16.01.2012 0:45:01 Naumov Artem ... ĐarkLightCÇ sliver :l asked
16.01.2012 0:45:02 ... ĐarkLightCÇ Naumov Artem or this new one
16.01.2012 0:45:09 ... ĐarkLightCÇ Naumov Artem and new one?
16.01.2012 0:45:19 Naumov Artem ... ĐarkLightCÇ i just was bored and angry at admins of jjnet (I'M SORRY IT'S JUST ME BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE AN ADMIN, ANYWHERE AT "OFFICIAL" JJ2 THINGS, thanks if you understand me)
16.01.2012 0:45:21 Naumov Artem ... ĐarkLightCÇ so i started making it
16.01.2012 0:45:40 ... ĐarkLightCÇ Naumov Artem oh : O

well, sliver knew that I was a programmer, and I could make programs for JJ2
he started the idea about "CTF cheat program"
it's not DL's or Hakum's fault imo
everything starts from one, the first radar
at first there were just 3 programs, one program freezing arrow, another one showing health of enemy and your flagholder, and the third one was the radar, the minimap that shows everyone on the map, it worked for semi je and distopia only...
then I combined it to one program, as you know its "RADAR", and inserted a spyware, because I wanted to manipulate whole JJ2 (I'M SORRY AGAIN!!! Demo but i helped admins using spyware, at last version of first radar I even made a program so you could talk as the players who used radar, that's how gry pwned RL, for sure, there will be next version of radar, but who knows if I would make it public(because I would like to make it private ONLY for me)
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#59 | [q]2012-01-17 17:13
creating a anti cheating tool is impossible I think because most in jj2 is Client...
or we should remake whole parts of the game to only sent locations of players that are in a certain range of the player
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#60 | [q]2012-01-17 17:14
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ONLY for me

You better keep it for yourself only if it's truth...


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#61 | [q]2012-01-17 17:15
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creating a anti cheating tool is impossible I think because most in jj2 is Client...

Not if said anit-cheating tool is forced to run on the same machine as the cheating client emo


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#62 | [q]2012-01-17 17:15
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Maybe whe should move the programming discussion to JCF, and keep the ragin here then?

Yes! A Random User started a thread and I outlined an idea.
http://www.jazz2online.com/jcf/showthread.php?t=19322
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#63 | [q]2012-01-17 17:17
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Not if said anit-cheating tool is forced to run on the same machine as the cheating client


True but artem will be able to create the same program to fake the anti cheating program is running
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#64 | [q]2012-01-17 17:18
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You better keep it for yourself only if it's truth...


Yeah, like thats gonna happen.

and Artem, use [IMG][*slash*IMG] with the filename in between.


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#65 | [q]2012-01-17 17:19
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or this is most easy: ask artem what he wants, give it him, he will shutdown all programs

really stop calling me SCRIPTKIDDIE , RUSSIAN IDIOT, RUSSIAN FUCKER, AND SUCH
that's not my fault I created radar,
So think about this
If there was no radar1, there wouldnt be radar2
If sliver didnt ask me for radar1, there wouldnt be radar1
this is sliver's fault
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#66 | [q]2012-01-17 17:19
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True but artem will be able to create the same program to fake the anti cheating program is running


Good point, but this can be prevented if we encrypt the protocol, so that only programs WE design know what to send. emo


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#67 | [q]2012-01-17 17:20
@Artem@ You had a choice. Sliver is not your master, so you wouldn't have made that prog.
Stop blaming him if you just had a choice to cancel...


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#68 | [q]2012-01-17 17:20
Whichever works. Coders perhaps go here
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#69 | [q]2012-01-17 17:21
call glados!!! emo emo emo
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#70 | [q]2012-01-17 17:21
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Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.


... Hmm, maybe let's just remove those levels from mappool? Strange idea but whatever, might be fun to see new levels in mappool(if someone has said that already, sorry but I was just too lazy to read it all).
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#71 | [q]2012-01-17 17:22
Then he could make a radar for new maps...


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#72 | [q]2012-01-17 17:22
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really stop calling me SCRIPTKIDDIE , RUSSIAN IDIOT, RUSSIAN FUCKER, AND SUCH, that's not my fault I created radar

The reason I called you that was not because I'm mad at you for creating the Radar, but because you only used already-existant hacking code, and weren't even able to code a map-generator yourself it seems...


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If sliver didnt ask me for radar1, there wouldnt be radar1
this is sliver's fault

Yeah, so if anyone asks you to do something, you're forced to do it and it becomes their fault?
Well, that makes this problem easy...

Please grow up. Saying ITS NOT MY FAULT HE ASKED ME is not going to solve anything...


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#73 | [q]2012-01-17 17:23
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Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.


... Hmm, maybe let's just remove those levels from mappool? Strange idea but whatever, might be fun to see new levels in mappool(if someone has said that already, sorry but I was just too lazy to read it all).


Radar will still work and you can easily get a minimap of new levels and get radar working there. It's not a solution really.
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#74 | [q]2012-01-17 17:24
Artem Why did you write it is made for ib clan? It's just a fucking bullshit, even if Hakum wanted it or DL Im the leader of ib and I wanted my clan to stay clean from this shit.
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#75 | [q]2012-01-17 17:24
So, should we make ladders only for trusted players/clans, or that'll fail too?


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