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     JJ2 competetive scene: trustworthy? | [q]2012-01-17 15:59
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Hi all,

I wish to give you guys some information that may alter the entire jj2 competetive scene.
First, no, and I mean no game which is played at the ladder is trustworthy anymore. Every game may have someone playing with radar and it isn't traceable.

Now players may be wondering why in the world I would state such thing. First of all, I got my hands on Radar v2 today. I know exactly what is possible now. The levellist this radar version works on: Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.

I can test it out with you guys if you want, I dont care. I can give all information by just checking radar basically. I even know everybodies health.

Ah, I also dont need teamchat anymore because I know when my flagcarrier is low and I know when to shout "S" because I can see enemy flagcarrier getting 1. All automatically.

Now I cannot tell how long this has been around already, I just know from a source he's been given a couple of untraceable Radar versions already.

I'll be able to show screenshots and I will be able to give evidence of everything I am stating. You can come visit me at my house and I'll show you everything (of radar *cough*) for that matter.

Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.

Enjoy.

Coders perhaps go here instead of reading this spam.
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#101 | [q]2012-01-17 17:59
Then you'll take a revenge on Ron I guess? U'll start to tell me how tough are Grytolle, Ron, sliver thru Skype, but u never find out that it was your own fault with radar-engine, Artem...

Grow up, already... stop being a kid...


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#102 | [q]2012-01-17 18:01
Hey guys emo
i didn't do anything wrong, just asked Artem some stuff about Radar. and anyway, i am NOT in IB emo shocked? I AM IN CC. just joined to IB to catch HAKUM cheating. i didn't play any ladders for IB emo that was the plan, you may blame me now for everything i've done, but i had good intentions. also i talked with Artem 2days ago and we wanted to give Radar v2 to Hakum and then send the proof to admins. and why? because people have thought that HAKUM cheats a lot since always.



this screen was about his cheats, but he suddenly said 'nwm' which was f*ckin' lame i almost died of laughing together with Grytolle emo WANTED THESE CHEATS TO TAKE A SCREEN WHILE HAKUM IS SENDING THEM TO ME AND THEN SEND TO ADMINS (it didn't happen though, too bad emo ) and i'm lazy to translate this msn convo.

another one:



i'm innocent. luv u all ;*

SORRY IB, CC PWNS. emo
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#103 | [q]2012-01-17 18:06
Cross-post from JCF thread

I would like to announce that a team currently consisting of wKtK and me are starting to plan the exact implementation for the Anticheat tool. We already have a plan in mind that should prevent players from using any Radar-like program by forcing them to run an executable alongside JJ2 that scans the memory of suspicious processes for specific patterns. These patterns will be updated from time to time. Once a pattern is found, the tool will report the find to the neutral server and terminate the cheating program.

Sufficient code and protocol obfuscation should prevent most scriptkiddies from breaking the protection. As Radar 2 (or 3, or whatever number it is at now) sports absolutely no features that haven't already been known for a long time, we're hoping that the Anticheat tool should be effective for quite a while, if it ever gets broken entirely, provided the method we have in mind works out well.

Note that legitimate programs like Get Me R will be put on some sort of whitelist, the exact implementation details about this are still in the planning stage though. If the whitelist turns out as a vulnerability, we will most likely end up adding the functionality of Get Me R into our program, with permission by and giving full credit to Shelly, of course.
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#104 | [q]2012-01-17 18:06
WELL. I apologize to Hakum. DL, the thing you did isn't good at all, but since you're cute, and since I knew what you're gonna do, I never accused you nor I will emo. It's kinda lame to catch him cheating with radar 2 if he hasn't used any cheats before, but its okay if he cheated WHAT WE CAN'T PROVE NOW.
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#105 | [q]2012-01-17 18:07
heh emo
DL is rly idiot ^^ Where i sended u radar? XD
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#106 | [q]2012-01-17 18:09
yes CR, thought you always were my friend, it's somehow strange, when you posted that you want to "kill my modem" or some shit like that, after that you posted that AJ DONT HEV SAMSING PROTIV TEBYA, I guess now you'll post it aswell, even if we were friends after that, but I don't want to say anything like you send to me everyday shit like "Hatsune Miku just got orgasm... oops ;x" and sending pics of anime tits, you are just a stupid pervert, IZWRASHENEC! ok no, no ok?!
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#107 | [q]2012-01-17 18:19
My post did not have the intention to get anyone banned. There is no evidence of Hakum cheating as far as I know and when Radar v2 leaked out (like 3h ago) I could've kept it for myself and wait for someone to cheat or I could post about it. I chose the latter option simply cause it'd be the most fair to the community.
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#108 | [q]2012-01-17 18:23
Double post: Also I should protect Slayer, he was one of the first guys who talked about Radarv2 to admins after he heard about it. So him saying he didn't want cheaters in his clan is right. It was only due to what SR said that players started to get active and trying to "investigate" whatever radarv2 was.
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#109 | [q]2012-01-17 18:27
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Double post: Also I should protect Slayer, he was one of the first guys who talked about Radarv2 to admins after he heard about it. So him saying he didn't want cheaters in his clan is right. It was only due to what SR said that players started to get active and trying to "investigate" whatever radarv2 was.
Yep.
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#110 | [q]2012-01-17 18:30
I kicked out Hakum to make ib clear from any shit. I told Gry that when i was playing with Hakum on TS3 Hakum used to write how many heart has flagholder when I hurted him. He wrote me about it faster than I did inform. I wanted to trust him that He isnt cheating. Sorry guys I can't do this anymore I just got borred of acusing and now I see another shit who has been made for Hakum by Artem. Hakum kept saying to me about cheats all the time, I dont know nothing now. He used to say that He is a cheater and He wanted to give me something - when I said no I wanna play fair, He said it was a joke and He doesnt has anything. I hope clans will play against ib) as they used to play because Haskum isnt in ib) anymore I'd rather play in weaker but fair clan instead of approving the cheating. I also want to apologise CDF/GpW for other stuff for being not polite, I hope We will play ladders against each other again.
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#111 | [q]2012-01-17 18:36
...says the SR when he lost opponents XD. Joke.

Well you did the best possible there, SR. All hail SR! You could get the radar and cheat again, but you didn't want to. Nice, ban affected on you! emo
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#112 | [q]2012-01-17 18:38
[18:37:49] Ensar // ShakerNL™: Artem saved JJ2
[18:37:52] Artem: saved?
[18:37:53] Harmen: saved?
[18:37:54] Artem: u kidding?
[18:37:54] Ensar // ShakerNL™: from all those annoying ctf
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#113 | [q]2012-01-17 18:43
we might talk to SuPrem anyway, he's genious emo
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#114 | [q]2012-01-17 18:59
"I'd rather play in weaker but fair clan instead of approving the cheating. "

Personally kickin out hakum wouldnt make ur clan any weaker ;p. I knew there was something going on with him. And i wasnt the only one. Hakum kept refusing any spectators to watch his ladders. At first i thought it was cuz he didnt want enemy clan to tell h or sth, but then there came that ladder with iB and t3. I was there as the only spectator since everybody else left. Hakum DEMANDED that i leave lol. In our next ladder with iB "14-3" sulfur left after semi. Before the game i told SR i dont want hakum to play. In sbv2 the only one left player SR had was riper (badly out of shape). I really felt sorry for him since it was obvious what the scores would be. I have to give SR a BIG MORALE plus for playing the ladder out till the end.

About clans who might cheat

I am pretty sure that the following clans will most likely not cheat

CDF - There is no way laro would approve of any cheatin. He'd most likely commit suicide

Cx - Idk what to say actually, im sure Raggy would never allow anyone to cheat

aEs - Lith is a respective admin, plus he gives us cake, so i dont mind if he cheats x). Also there are two nice coders there

CC - Veđito jojjan and fofel could probaly beat the crap out of any team in the whole game. i dont see why they would use some shit to power up their flawless skills even more. They do seem to have better things to do, no?

iB - Seems SR proved to be against cheats rather nicely. He seem to have finally started to take this game a bit more seriously

T3 - Sj and jjb seem to be rather trustworthy in my eyes, Also SJ's an admin

VS - They seem to be hardly active. theyr trustworthy thou,Also WR's an admin

GpW - U do not wanna accuse brus of cheatin bro >[

NF - If DZ decides to cheat..... (il leave it to ur imagination)

Im pretty sure everybody alrdy knows this, but its still not the same. From here on there is most likely going to be a lot of distrust in one another(untill anticheat is made).The best we can do is hope that this comment speaks truth and have faith in one another.Also sorry if i left out someone!Dont feel insulted or sth.


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#115 | [q]2012-01-17 19:01
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yes CR, thought you always were my friend, it's somehow strange, when you posted that you want to "kill my modem" or some shit like that, after that you posted that AJ DONT HEV SAMSING PROTIV TEBYA, I guess now you'll post it aswell, even if we were friends after that, but I don't want to say anything like you send to me everyday shit like "Hatsune Miku just got orgasm... oops ;x" and sending pics of anime tits, you are just a stupid pervert, IZWRASHENEC! ok no, no ok?!


Please stop whining in your broken grammar.

This thread isn't about your friends, nor is it about who is a pervert or who spams stupid shit on skype.

This thread is about you ruining the ladder system, and WE thinking/discussing how to fix it.
So stop whining if ppl hate you for it and if they quit being your friends, attacking them personally just shows again what a big baby you are.

And about the code, even the desing of the form not your own. Let alone the other code, which was ripped out of GLaDOS's vb library...

gg

@King agree with that list, thanks for the compliment emo


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...
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#116 | [q]2012-01-17 19:03
You left yourself out, King emo
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#117 | [q]2012-01-17 19:05
How can u be sure i dont cheat >]


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#118 | [q]2012-01-17 19:10
nobody can now GG.
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#119 | [q]2012-01-17 19:13
Aw, i dont cheat, idk what to say thou... as i alrdy said (and u too obvoiusly) its really hard to trust anyone now. Thats why i made that comment over there


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#120 | [q]2012-01-17 19:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PctD-8y0FRg&ob=av2n XDDDDDD

sry emo
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#121 | [q]2012-01-17 19:20
WHYYY DARKLIGHT, WHYYYYYY


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...
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#122 | [q]2012-01-17 19:22
+ for Slayer
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#123 | [q]2012-01-17 19:22
OK.
Here's a suggestion:
- we can all download blank slate of JJ2 tsf+;
- we can access by p2p program SoulSeek the files in declared folder;
... I know how to mount a drive in DOSBox from a folder on my hard drive
... and am falling short from that stop by train of thought.
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#124 | [q]2012-01-17 19:23
But radar or whatever can be put outside of your jazz2 folder, it will still run :p
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#125 | [q]2012-01-17 19:43
Idd; huh, and to operate a command prompt would be too much to ask of a player already using (Jazz2+)?
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