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     Eliminating language barriers | [q]2015-04-25 15:47
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In light of the convo I had with JJ in another thread about expanding the letters in JJ2, I figured it's worth its own thread, but not just about JJ2.

I realize, when I walk down the street, if I cross the street pretty much, I can't even comprehend half the people who I try talking with. It's like: "blah blah blah" ... "what?" ... "blah blah blah" ... "sorry, I can't understand what you said" ... "łøł."

But language barriers are a huge issue, impossible to avoid though not ever-present. So here's the first point I want to make:

- Stop using "ph" to make the "f" sound

...As in the word "physics"

Originally when I learned English when I was 3-4 years old with my 1.5-year younger sister I knew: oh, this will only last until I have to talk with Egyptian language, because I thought that the point was to make fun of that. (And it never made sense without memorizing the word "pharoah" which is in itself, essentially a joke, or actually just an off-topic field.) I'm not sure where the idea came from that "ph" makes the "f" sound, but it's a waste of time. I figured, it probably comes from the fact: during the pre-Civil War era in USA, people wrote "f" to make the "s" sound. Believe it or not, I swear it's true, I learned when we studied in school Thomas Jefferson writing the Declaration of Independence (IIRC). It's not quite precisely "f" nor "s" but more like italic "f" except at the bottom of the "f" it curves left like "s" or depending on interpretation, like "s" but vertically elongated, and with the horizontal strike-thru of "f"... hopefully that makes some sense. (This writing style hasn't been used since the invention of the Cherokee alphabet, AFAIK.) Anyway, now we use "f" for the "f" sound, and using "ph" to make the "f" sound is illiterate, IMHO. That's what leads to wastes of time and stupid interpretations, anyway no one can control the entire populace, only oneself, particularly in terms of linguistics.

Not to rant or ramble, I just wanted to write this down because: it really disappoints me when I notice this problem. I often think about this subject, and I'm really quite certain everyone would naturally agree - it's better to overcome and eliminate language barriers, than to abide and be divided by them.
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#1 | [q]2015-04-25 16:01
Let's watch phineas and pherb!
Phuck that shit
(This is just an example of what NOT to do. See the clearly written letters)


The Rabbits' history book
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#2 | [q]2015-04-26 21:28
Multiple types of English: IMO, mostly in Camel Duels, people speak European English. This is actually a term I made up (unofficially) but it's safe to say that the highest percentage of people in CD are in Europe (not 100%, but a high percentage). But British English clearly doesn't represent all of Europe, plus the other official or semi-official types of English, like American, Australian, Canadian English, etc. Clearly those can be distinguished from European English, if needed. However that's not the point of this post. This is the point of this post:

- AFAIK, the only main difference between British vs. American English is:

...Which curse words are more popular or less popular

Let me just put it this way. These are just my observations.

These curse words are more popular in American English:

- shit
- nigga
- bitch

These curse words are more popular in British English:

- cunt
- dike
- twat

These curse words are most popular in both American and British English:

- fuck
- pussy
- ass

These curse words are English, but not very popular in American nor British English:

- kike
- douche
- fag

BTW, this list obviously isn't guaranteed accurate, and obviously incomplete (if I or anyone made this list and spent more time, over time it would grow longer, almost forever). It's just a tiny effort based only on my limited observations and guesswork.

Also, there are slight other differences, but those are essentially practically meaningless. The idea that you can spell "color" or "colour" is pointless, that kind of a difference equates to zero difference. Otherwise I would have to guess, the only primary difference is: in America, Spanish futbol = English soccer. In Europe both of these are called football. But I doubt this is new information to anybody, I guess this has been the case since the time of Socrates. (Joke) :p
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#3 | [q]2015-04-26 22:13
I would like to terminate my free E-book subscription emo
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#4 | [q]2015-04-26 22:14
Oh by the way: Soccer = football and football = American Football emo
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#5 | [q]2015-04-26 22:28
MasterSven wrote:
Oh by the way: Soccer = football and football = American Football emo


Error: The author of this post does not care
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#6 | [q]2015-04-26 22:56
[20:40:40] o0o: cant be bothered

Now that u know that feeling u might realize that no one cares about ur ebooks emo
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#7 | [q]2015-04-27 00:02
Jett wrote:
"s" but vertically elongated, and with the horizontal strike-thru of "f"

No, long s is never written with a horizontal strikethrough. Observe: ſ. It's occasionally stylized to have a small nub at the middle but only on its left side, clearly distinguishing it from f.


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#8 | [q]2015-04-27 14:25
i cant be bothered because im a lazy person, but ive read the thread now (i still couldnt be bothered) and please do proceed, i do read these 'ebooks'(?) from time to time because they are quite cool. i dont know whats 'dike' though lol. in my mother language 'ph' isnt used at all. neither is v, we use w for that, and english w (like in weed, would, wangatang) is our lovely letter ł. such. would be funny to do the english test refusing to write any 'ph' and using 'f' letter everywhere instead: fotografy emo fotosintesis. looks a bit gay lol. funny little observation, but 'ph' seems to be something like the accent thing really, i mean i cant say much about the accent like ive got my own one, but ive noticed british people have the accent, and some of them like sounding kind of posh, you know, i can see some people are really into it, like they just keep talking anything for the sake of it lol, so they just talk and do these PHWOOAROOTHROAPHARBARBAR because they sound well or something lol and some of them are actually really good. they enjoy talking emo funny enough. for me its still an effort, i tend to mumble a lot because i cant be bothered and sometimes i feel stupid to try hard on a 'proper' accent, it just doesnt seem to be natural for me and i feel even better sometimes with my russianlike tongue lol
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#9 | [q]2015-04-27 17:15
The English language has always been awkward when it comes to pronounciation, and always will be. There are loads of words like that. Some are even spelt the same but have different pronounciations (like read and read).


[19:55:50] VLAD8: YOU BITCH
[19:56:24] VLAD8: TREYLINA LETS BY FRIENDS

It's been almost 3 years and JJ.net STILL hasn't fixed the freaking cookies. No wonder hardly anyone posts here anymore.
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#10 | [q]2015-05-01 02:07
- Sea garrets and cigarettes are NOT THE SAME THING

A sea garret is a floatation device, designed to indicate the surface level of the water for swimmers in the ocean, who have to deal with tidal waves on the shore

These sea garrets may be otherwise known as pipe line floats. This is a good explanatory term as well. Regardless these are vital and necessary agents for creating safety for swimmers or anyone in beach recreation, like boaters, on any level. Without them, it's virtually impossible to tell where the present-day sea level is. Tidal waves rapidly fluctuate the height of the water, if you look at the water from the beach, and if you want to swim off-shore, you have to deal with the fact: the waves will essentially bounce you up and down, and not to mention, they will of course push you back to the land, since the current of the water goes toward the sand, then falls (AFAIK).

In other words, look at it this way: in ancient time, cigarettes were used to "flatten the beach," or in other words, they can be inserted into the sand as markers for personal recreational space. Sea garrets are sort of a similar concept, except they float in the water, instead of sit in the sand. For swimmers, it's unlawful to swim past the sea garrets, or else you risk being forcefully pushed back onto the beach by an upcoming wave (IIRC).

To clarify the point of this post: it's important to know the difference between cigarettes and sea garrets, although they sound the same and are kinda phonetically the same word, but with different accents.

Not to mention: it's also extremely unsafe for a boat to approach the beach past the line of sea garrets. Otherwise, the boat could potentially run into random swimmers in the ocean. That's the whole point of having harbors, where boats can go to land, without running into swimmers.

- War is caused by lack of wharves

If the Titanic had ever reached a wharf, it would never have been lost at sea

Look at the facts, there's more to war than just violent battles. People like to overexadurate about incidents of violence, making them out to be much more then they ever really were. However, in the case of a fate such as a sunken battleship, war is essentually ever-more real. With the point being: war is caused by lack of wharves. A wharf is like a landing strip for a boat. Basically, if a boat is at sea, it must have a destination on-land, or else it'll be constantly lost at sea forever. It's needed, therefore, to plot out not only a course of navigation before embarking on a trek, but also to plot out the exact point at which the ship plans to disembark from sea. At that point, the passengers of the ship can make it back to land. Countless cases can be listed where it was needed for a ship to find a safe, suitable point where the poeple can make it back to land. It's really not that hard to understand the definition of a wharf, it's just a place for boats to reach land, and passengers can get off. It's more complicated the relationship between a wharf and a war: if there's no place for a passenger to make it back to land, then people are ultimately in great danger. That's why it's crucial and critical for peopel to understand this definition.

Everybody knows that gypsies come from Dixieland, but not everyone knows that Dixieland is the camping grounds of the Cameron Crazies of Duke University

These people actually sit around in tents outside the basketball stadium at Duke University for college basketball games. Due to basketball's popularity. Go figure. The merits of their "architecture" are not note-worthy, IMO.



On another subject:

SirEmentaler wrote:
Jett wrote:
"s" but vertically elongated, and with the horizontal strike-thru of "f"

No, long s is never written with a horizontal strikethrough. Observe: ſ. It's occasionally stylized to have a small nub at the middle but only on its left side, clearly distinguishing it from f.


Ok. Just look in this image: (image isn't embedded due to its huge resolution)

http://www.monticello.org/sites/default/files/uploaded-content-images/Declaration_Engrav_Pg1of1_doctored_0.jpg

It's pretty clear that in this cursive handwriting, "s" and "f" are basically the same letter.
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#11 | [q]2015-05-01 11:37
Not exactly the same. You most likely don't notice the difference because long s isn't a letter you learn from your early days, but it isn't much more similar to f than, say, t is to l. Take for example the words "should" and "from" because they have those letters on the same position and are close to each other in the picture you provided (the first word of the third line and the second word of the fifth line): the ſ generally has a large, visible bottom loop whereas f doesn't, and the line connecting letters starts in the middle of the letter f rather than following the bottom loop as is the case with ſ. You may notice the declaration has several inconsistencies, for example the first f you run into, in the word "for" in the first line, the letters f and o are not connected and you could actually argue it somewhat looks like an ſ as it's missing a dash (even though it still doesn't have the bottom loop, suggesting that's not the case). You can notice five lines below that and slightly to the left that the word "form" looks different and has the f written correctly. So, obviously, if your writing is not consistent, you can't expect letters to be distinguishable, but in the general case, you can easily tell the two letters apart, just not as quickly as other letters because you weren't trained for it.


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#12 | [q]2015-05-30 02:45
Pringlish = Polish + Romanian + English

- The most common language on jj2.
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#13 | [q]2015-10-19 06:18
Dear friends,

As we all know, the issue of the pronunciation of the English language is troubling. Not only are the current spelling rules senseless to people who try to learn the language, but it confuses native speakers as well. But I'm here to present you with a solution: Inglisz. the Inglisz spelling is a spelling system for the English language, crafted specially by me with love to break the language barriers and help people communicate without confusion. It's designed to be easy, and simple to grasp. Here is an example sentence: Its ei wundeorf'l dei tuudei. Dhee flaweorz aar singing. Dhee beurdz aar spining. Aim sow hapee too bee eolaiv.
If you're interested I've made a guide on how to get started with Inglisz:

Inglisz is a phonetic representation of the English language inspired by the Polish and the Korean languages. Therefore, the only thing you need to know is the sound representations. The b, d, f, g, h, k, l, m, n, p, r, s, t, v, w, y, and z should be pretty easy to understand. For the "th" sound as in "the" we write "dh". For the "j" sound as in "Jesus" we write "j". For the "ng" sound as in "sing" we write "ng". For the "th" sound as in "think" we write "th". For the "sh" sound as in "shine" we write "sz". For the "ch" sound as in "cheek" we write "cz". For the "s" sound as in "vision" we write "rz". For the "a" sound as in "bra" we write "aa". For the "a" sound as in "cat" we write "a". For the "y" sound as in "my" we write "ai". For the "ow" sound as in "now" we write "aw". For the "e" sound as in "bed" we write "e". For the "ay" sound as in "gay" we write "ei". For the "i" sound as in "kill" we write "i". For the "ee" sound as in "need" we write "ee". For the "o" sound as in "long" we write "o". For the "oy" sound as in "boy" we write "oi". For the "o" sound as in "no" write "ow". For the "u" sound as in "full" we write "uu". For the "oo" sound as in "food" we write "oo". For the "u" sound as in "gun", we write "u". For the "u" sound as in "fur" we write "eu". For the "a" sound as in "alive" we write "eo".

Best wishes and happy learning!
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#14 | [q]2015-10-19 17:55
am aj dujin uell? niyd tu admyt aj hawent red dat al, dziest improwajzin loool

yeah i havent read that all, sorry mr krsplat but you need to try to shorten your posts if you want me to read them (its fine though), anyways inbetween of your post witn funny krzyzewskiville picture (lol ive read 'krzysieksville' at first) ive noticed word 'gypsies' and honestly all ive got to say is stay away from them!! gypsy is the worst group i swear they all have it planned to scam corporations and fuck everything up wherever they are. they are cheeky and they do it all on purpose and theyre not even scared they gonna be charged for shit or if police is involved. if you do work somewhere and gypsies want to use your service, always say that your really sorry but youre overbooked/no availability/closing or just beat them all up if you think you manage gl hf gypsy not recommended; wonder if theres anyone who says no? yoo
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#15 | [q]2015-10-20 14:51
What is gypsy?
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#16 | [q]2015-10-22 10:58
GyPsy is short for Gay Psychology