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Map vote or Map contest?
Already existing map vote!
bb vote bb bb
5 (26%)

Mapmaking contest!
bb vote bb bb
2 (11%)

Both! (a mix of the two)
bb vote bb bb
6 (32%)

I don't care
bb vote bb bb
6 (32%)

None. No more mappool levels.
bb vote bb bb
0 (0%)

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     Poll: Map contest or Map vote? | [q] 2011-11-07 18:27
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Not sure if I should put this in JJ2 related or suggestions, but whatever. Bascially, vote whether you want a mapmaking contest for what should go into the mappool, or have a vote for already existing maps, new and old.


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#1 | [q]2011-11-07 18:29
Add a poll maybe?


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#2 | [q]2011-11-07 18:30
Just was about to lol. Give me a chance, I had to make the post first.


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#3 | [q]2011-11-07 18:35
Sorry emo

I think we should have both.


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#4 | [q]2011-11-07 18:50
I don't really like map making contests, there are enough good, but unknown and thus underplayed JJ2 levels around. Most map making contests also have too short deadlines, favoring people who work fast rather than fancy, and affecting the quality of levels, both in gameplay (not enough time to playtest) and visuals (good eye candy can take time to make).
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#5 | [q]2011-11-07 19:23
Yeah, I fully agree with Glados. And I even know which map he might have hinted at! emo
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#6 | [q]2011-11-07 19:31
We've had several contests this year already, I find it weird to make another contest while there are indeed so many maps out there that should be checked out instead. That is unless you're level-making horny (and guess what, 3 out of 4 who voted "both" are indeed known for making levels too emo).
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#7 | [q]2011-11-07 19:59
I would like a new contest. Veg, remember, all the level contests were for Duel Tournament, and as I said 1000times, WW is a duel level, not a 3v3 level (some ppl plays 3v3 there maybe it's fun). I don't have anything against WW, its just an example.

We need something big like JE. We need something with good gameplay, a level that is gimmicky enough not to ruin the gameplay (something like Super). That would be better.
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#8 | [q]2011-11-07 20:15
A new contest would be nice. Just don't suggest some crap levels and I'll be forever happy.

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WW is a duel level, not a 3v3 level

Agreed. It also is a bit (too) campy, not mentioning that a lot of people take it as semi #2 (it just is overplayed).

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We need something big like JE.

..and not as campy as JE emo
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#9 | [q]2011-11-07 21:00
i want my zaitox and NA... they is no campy... you just think they is!!! emo
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#10 | [q]2011-11-07 21:16
galana ww isnt semi 2#
semi isnt played anymore so much as it used to be before
and ye i agree,ww started to be too overplayed
ZAITOX FTW
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#11 | [q]2011-11-07 22:05
Gal, I said that we need something *big* like JE. And yeah, JE is campy, but it's good enough to be in the mappoll emo
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#12 | [q]2011-11-07 22:16
We need something big emo
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#13 | [q]2011-11-07 23:15
Uhh, zaitox is campy, as you're forced to take one path for the base, making it the ideal camping place as you can shoot from above constantly and be sure to hit people almost every time. Is that not campy? Yeah....WW got overplayed, I kind of been trying to avoid playing that lately in duels. Infact I think I'll start avoiding it for now, it's getting ridiculous...


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#14 | [q]2011-11-08 00:17
WW is much less a duel level than a teamplay level, I have to disagree. And if your only argument is "it was made for a contest for duel levels" thats wrong. It doesn't make the level a duel level immediately. Above all, WW is far less campy playing 3v3s than it is playing duels of 2v2s...
You can think WW is overplayed etc. of course, there will always be people who think a level is overplayed. I myself find it nice there's another overplayed level instead of semi. Semi got boring emo.

Either way, I don't agree a new contest should be made now. Indeed, stressed, risk of getting crappy levels and that while there are so many more good levels which haven't been played often enough yet.
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#15 | [q]2011-11-08 00:25
This thread may not be for nominations or votes, but I had to come post this when I thought of it: Pinball Arena 2k5 by Blackraptor would be good for 2v2 (and duels) and probably good for 3v3 as well.
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#16 | [q]2011-11-08 08:39
How about a contest where old levels can be nominated as well as new ones can be made? New entries would compete against old ones, therefore even in the worst case - if all new ones are crappy - map pool stays unaffected by them and only old maps are added (because they win the contest).

I dislike how some people here sound like rejecting sense of making new levels at all, like if it's something wrong to do, because there are already some good levels. If someone can make a level before some deadline, and yet it is better than other entries as well as oldies, why not add it to the pool? It's obvious that if the only entries are unplayable crap they won't make it in to the pool, same as SJ wouldn't add contest entries to DT map pool in such case.

Then I guess you can ask "why call it a contest while it's actually a choice between all maps in existence including ones that are made in the next number of months". Well I guess the word "contest" sounds better for potential level makers and is faster to type than "a choice between all maps in existence including ones that are made in the next number of months".


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#17 | [q]2011-11-08 09:52
Completely agreed with SE.
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#18 | [q]2011-11-08 10:57
why dont we just let first 7 clans to choose 1 map that they want in mappool?
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#19 | [q]2011-11-08 11:06
no


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#20 | [q]2011-11-08 11:30
I don't think anyone said it was bad to make levels or that anyone meant anything like that, SE. However, why do you need a contest to make levels? emo I never said I am against making levels, I am against yet another contest. Why make another contest with a price, the first *** levels to make it in the mappool. It'd make little sense. However, obviously you're free to make any levels if you think they're worthy enough lol. There have been more (attempts to make a) contests than tournaments the previous year. Just check JCF and see for yourself.

(JJ.net duel tournament, Whatever the Cake tournaments name was, JDC and the ladder vs X amount of JCS contests with whatever subject.)

And I am not mentioning some great, already created, levels which could just be submitted but nobody cares about. Splat made a good point indeed with pb2k5. Do whatever you like, I won't block another contest or anything, if you thought I didn't want you to make any new levels you failed to see my point. I hope you got my point now however; it's just sick to see another contest.

Either way, like previous seasons and as Lith already said, I wouldn't like to see clans suggest 1 level which would be added to the mappool. I could just get CC to suggest magma penis despair or whatever silly level and it would be added. No way lol xD.
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#21 | [q]2011-11-08 11:46
Your lucky we need you in our warteam, Vegito. Otherwise you wouldn't get away with such herecy. emo
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#22 | [q]2011-11-08 12:21
The mappool itself doesn't make sense to me; I'm not used to having level restrictions imposed by dedicated servers for tournament play.

EDIT: But I understand that the agreement between clans participating in this ladder is to pick maps episodically, whether a choice made previous to the season or specific to the round itself.
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#23 | [q]2011-11-08 13:08
I get you splat, I was pretty annoyed last year when I came back and couldn't play some of my fav levels bcuz of the pool. But you need to understand that some limits have to be set, beacuse some levels just don't work out well (they aren't deemed and objectively looking aren't fair for both teams).

The bad part about having a map pool if you're an oldie: nobody from the new players will give a damn about your level preferences, and I'm not just talking about ladder games - the levels that make it in the pool get played a lot more in friendly games as well (that's why I liked how JJ2WC, added 2-3 new levels to the pool of popular levels, because everybody had to train Marsh, NA and Zaitox).

That's why I liked how the pool has been expanding with each season. I don't have a lot of arguments for why this would be good, but I do like variety and lets face it, if a season lasts somewhere from 6 months to a year, you wan't to have plenty of levelchoices IMO.
So unless a level really hasn't worked out (which to me, doesn't seem the case), I see no reason in getting rid of it for the next season. Whereas the whole point of a new season is to have some new challenges in new levels which haven't been mastered yet. And the clans that come to grips with the new levels first get a head start. At the end of the season most of the clans seem to catch up though, so for example a level like WW, which was only played in duels, became arguably one of the most overplayed levels of the year. Not that there's anything wrong with that mind you, just sayin there' s link between level popularity and a level being or not being in the map pool.
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#24 | [q]2011-11-08 13:18
The main reason for a mappol is to avoid endless discussions about level choices in ladders. The mappool allows us to introduce a couple of maps that may not be refused. I have tried to arrange clanwars in the past, and when both clans gave a damn about winning, it became a very tedious, nearly impossible task to actually arrange the clanwar.

This is why we've chosen for a middle ground: a slowly expanding pool of level that may not be refused. In order to make the mappool size potential as large as possible, we have introduced labels for 2vs2-only and 3vs3-only levels (e.g. -> sbv2), and included the rule that you pick color on your opponents map of choice (e.g. -> bblair)

Please note that it's quite possible to play levels outside of the mappool, but it rarely happens because people don't want to give the other team the advantage of playing in a level that they don't know.

I've been playing with the idea of having one dynamic map in the pool that changes every month or so, as to give more levels a chance, but I dunno what you guys would think of something like that.
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#25 | [q]2011-11-08 13:32
Where is the mappool listed?
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