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     Admins and democracy! | [q]2011-07-11 16:24
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#26 | [q]2011-07-12 11:35
I can sponsor you aswell. I can send you by post somehow.
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#27 | [q]2011-07-12 12:09
As cooba said. I would also pay if I could to keep the servers,but I do not think admin access should be paid.


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#28 | [q]2011-07-12 13:29
I'm not asking for money. I'm just saying that I put alot of time and money on this. So I can't say that I like the way some people complain and/or seems to think they own the server. Furthermore, I decide who should be administrator on my property. And there has never been a price to pay to get trustee rights (think about the word "trustee" for a while). Also, the admins doesn't represent the community, they represent me. But ofc, no one is perfect.


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#29 | [q]2011-07-13 00:59
DZ we know u've put a lot of effort and stuff on this website and ZDs, that's why I personally admire you and gry for this. but please at least think twice at the possibly of having one of those 2 ideas, people actually might like them.

we also know u've been working hard and u probably are now like "oh, i put so much efforts and those idiotic no lifers who dont move any finger expect me to work even harder". its totally understandable, so take ur time and think about it. as you said, its your website, your Zeals, so do whatever you think is best for you or for the community. emo
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#30 | [q]2011-07-13 01:09
Four ideas actually emo

No really,we do respect what you're doing for the community. As Kimo said,think about it and we'll get a solution.


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#31 | [q]2011-07-13 06:43
That's right, no one can't be perfect. emo


BTW, any trustee should have responsible for his doings.

Trustee - is not just Adminpw or some fun thing.


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#32 | [q]2011-07-13 06:59
Kimo, it's not my website.


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#33 | [q]2011-07-13 09:17
I like this .. emoyaay
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#34 | [q]2011-07-13 10:15
DanZeal, I can understand your decision. We keep bickering at times, and it is understandable why you picked the admins yourself. A democratic vote would be ideal, but how democratic is democratic (what would happen if a lot of people vote for Sasori for whatever reason!).

It might be better to have several "Zeal" duels up from different players from different clans, in which case every host can select his own admin group. They don't have to be online permanently, as long as they're up when needed most (one ZD is sufficient when most of us are at school, for example, but in weekends we might want one or even two other duel servers up (but three duel servers are certainly enough)).
NC or Artem can host a Test Server, and there can be someone else who hosts a Domination or LRS server.
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#35 | [q]2011-07-13 11:34
I'd like those servers:

Zeal Alpha
Zeal Duels 1
Zeal Duels 2 <---DZ
Zeal Duels 3
NF Clan Server


CC Treinz!
CC 24/7 Relaxer (gamemodes like it was in Zeal Relaxer) <---EvilD
CC 1 on 1


The Server <---Sfaizst
The Server for Duels (instead of National Tournament. Is it hosted by Sfa?)

Artem's Test Server <---Artem



It'd be enough imo. Just if EvilD and DZ wants to host servers emo.
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#36 | [q]2011-07-13 11:38
Veg is paying me to host the "CC 24/7 Relaxer".


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#37 | [q]2011-07-13 11:55
those are just TOO many toni, we don't need so many servers as a lot of people have already hosted them.

my opinion:

- zeal duels 1 and 2
- zeal alpha
- cc 24/7 relaxer (but host tests instead of survivor, nobody really ever played it)
- the server

it's the clan's choice if they want to host a server for them or not.
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#38 | [q]2011-07-13 12:35
zeal duels 1 and 2
- zeal alpha
-Zeal relaxer
And zd3?
- the server



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#39 | [q]2011-07-13 13:29
not rlly
sometimes u want duel with some1 and u take another srv
or ladders,u need a srv for like 40 mins
3 zeal will be enough i guess
and za ofc
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#40 | [q]2011-07-13 13:51
I think DZ should decide about the amount of servers he'll host,but my opinion is that 3 ZD's are enough with of course Zeal Alpha and maybe the Relaxer.




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#41 | [q]2011-07-13 14:16
God, what all are you gonna suggest next? That god needs to host battle 3 only at some server? (No offense, this is just getting hilarious now)
As Lith stated, the amount of server one wants to host is THEIR OWN choice. I have no idea what you're aiming at anymore now. The problem DZ stated, is actually exactly what you guys are doing right now emo... AGAIN. I thought that was clear by now but apparently not.

If I wish to host n00bed CTF v2 24/7 I'll do that at the CC relaxer, fyi. That however doesn't mean the levellist fucked up it seems so I got something to fix XD. It wasn't supposed to host CTF/survivors.. Lol.

Also, if you disagree with something why won't you simply start your own 24/7 server or something? Get your own admins there and see if you can do better. The current community acts very harsh/rude. Make one mistake and they'll never forgive you again. Think of what you're saying. I think DZ made his point and all you're doing is continuing the discussion in other ways...
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#42 | [q]2011-07-13 14:54
Keep on track people. This thread is about the admins,not about the levels DZ should host on his servers.

Vegito,the thing is people consider this the community,making a new one won't work. Besides,DZ does the job well,but we hope to actually get the admins who do the job well too. It's not DZ who plays every day in his servers and gets kicked/banned by power abusers,WE DO. He owns the servers,but we play on them and I think we deserve the possibility of having a choice.

If we're harsh and/or rude,why don't YOU leave this community and make your own? Sounds pretty lame,but that's what I am trying to say.


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#43 | [q]2011-07-13 14:59
relax veg, I don't think anyone stated this way: "this is how you should do things, listen to us". we, or at least i only gave some suggestions about it. if you don't like them, u can simply ignore my message instead of complaining about it. this is why things never work. you think that just because it's his own website or server we can't share our opinion about it? it's a damn community. :|

in fact, let's take it this way -> what kind of server would he host if nobody joined it?

this wasn't supposed to be taken as a flame comment, it was a response to veg's wrong comment imo.
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#44 | [q]2011-07-13 15:35
Again. They're his servers, he is the one deciding who he's giving access to his priority. The servers are just servers. Anyone can host servers, they're not the community. These servers are there for if someone wants a neutral server. They were never supposed to be the main servers. They were supposed to be back ups. If he doesn't TRUST a person enough, he won't give them access. Trustee, right? He mentioned it. Also Lith, you mentioned having the possibility of having a choice. Even simply gathering a bit of money to pay for your own GpW server, will allow you to have a choice. Exactly what CCers did, right? Sfaizst, EvilD and myself all set up different servers that can be used for different purposes, and other rules apply there.

It isn't his website, jj.net =/= ZDs, and no matter how much that is said, you (kimo) continue to call both DZs property. Sure, you can mention your opinion. He answered, and so instead of accepting something, you decide to start to "complain" about something else of his server. Exactly what he didn't want to see and exactly what you're continuing. Smart? Definitely not. Suggestions are okay, but you've been going on about the same for some 200 posts now. I guess I can consider that complaining. Let me quote:

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I'm not asking for money. I'm just saying that I put alot of time and money on this. So I can't say that I like the way some people complain and/or seems to think they own the server. Furthermore, I decide who should be administrator on my property. And there has never been a price to pay to get trustee rights (think about the word "trustee" for a while). Also, the admins doesn't represent the community, they represent me. But ofc, no one is perfect.


Seems clear, right?

Anyway, as Kimo also stated, this is just what I think. It isn't meant as an offense and no I am not upset. It may seem like that only. Had I been pissed I'd have given my opinion way earlier already. No flamewar or whatsoever. Feel free to give arguments vs what I said, although dont expect me to answer much anymore as I did earlier. emo
No offense taken, it is still a community and of course best is if we all get along etc, but we are all dealing with different people and different ideals.
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#45 | [q]2011-07-13 16:02
I think DZ should host just ZA and a ZD. The community should bring up other servers needed. Why does DZ need to host everything?
One host just causes a lot of lag (and complaints because of it) because of JJ2 coding. It also makes DZ's Trustee crew less vulnerable because every host can appoint his own trustees.


@Kimo & Veg: Calm down... lol

@ Toni: If you want as many servers as you listed up and running, you should host another ZD (Toni Duels), really... emo
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#46 | [q]2011-07-13 16:18
Ye no worries. I already edited my post.
Anyway, less servers may mean less lag, yes. Thats true.
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#47 | [q]2011-07-13 16:19
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One host just causes a lot of lag (and complaints because of it) because of JJ2 coding.


Not true, unless you have a bad PC (not realy suited for being a server) and/or bad ISP/connection. Or you are configuring JJ2 in a bad way.


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#48 | [q]2011-07-13 16:25
Don't you think everyone'd be hosting their duel servers until now if it was so easy? Also,go tell people Zeal Duels aren't the main servers the community revolves around and you'll see the response. I seriously do respect DZ for what he has done for the community,but you guys have to accept the fact that Zeal Duels ARE the community now. When they were not the main servers and there weren't admins like this,it was really different and there were no discussions like this. Wasn't the plus updated just to allow control of the Zeals because they became really popular?

EDIT: One more example. The Zeals are down and everyone keeps whining about it,some people even do act like the whole serverlist is down.


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#49 | [q]2011-07-13 16:40
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Also Lith, you mentioned having the possibility of having a choice. Even simply gathering a bit of money to pay for your own GpW server, will allow you to have a choice.


Technically, it is that easy. emo
As said, easiest is to sponsor DZ and get a server for your own. You can set it up as a duel server where you can play at. The host is still the same, except you will have your own admins.

Otherwise, a lot of people know how to open ports now so that you can host yourself. I for example helped Kenny not long ago, Jake is helping players set up their routers properly too. Theres one tiny thing I have to add. Seemingly, even though others (including CC) tried to set up other duel servers, everybody continues to go back to the ZDs. Reason? They're neutral. So apparently the ZDs and its previous admins arent half as bad as one may think emo.

(Also, I should add DZ isnt asking for 100s of euros to get your own server, lol. We're talking about no big prices, if you'd get a couple of players you'd share the cost with, it will truely be easy enough to get DZ to host a 24/7 server for you emo.)
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#50 | [q]2011-07-13 16:43
@TW: I'd be glad to host, but my PC isn't that good to be up 24/7 like some other servers. And think about it. As Ron said, everyone would host if it is easy. It's not. My server lags for someone more than Zeals, but for some it's less laggy. W/e, I just suggested a servers, and I think that's a good idea what should work good.

Btw, why are Zeals down?
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