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     To cooba | [q]2012-12-03 20:03
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This post is directed to anyone and everyone who is interested, but mostly towards cooba.

I would not write this post in public if it would be possible, however cooba has rejected nearly all kinds of contact with me for the past 2 years. I have at several occasions been willing to talk to cooba, with or without a third party, but so far to no avail. There seems to be no way of having a chat about what has happened the last years. Instead it seems to be childish insults every time again.

For the past years cooba has found many opportunities to flame or provoke me in JJ2 servers or via posts. The last personal attack being the first post in this thread. Some attacks were worse than others but all of them combined left me wondering why nobody has said anything about this.

I will use his own words, making them clear with citation marks. I believe what he's doing "requires some real ill will and wrongly rooted determination" flaming and provoking me continously. His writing to me and whoever would be involved which includes Sperry is horrible. According to what he said, this is how he talks (to her/to me):
"I repremand you the same way as all of my subordinates(lower beings) from the brothel (whore house)"

So in easy English it meant he talks to me/sperry like we're lower beings from the whore house. Sperry doesn't have anything to do with our history so I am not sure what such a heavy personal attack would be needed for. Never mind the general hate towards her from cooba as well.

Once I joined a server and the first thing cooba said was that "I don't say hi, rotten bastard" and at some point that "I get horny whenever I roast him." Besides all those senseless accusations and attacks I believe such messages are out of place anywhere. (reading logs? didn't you start hating me when the CC teamspeak closed instead? That cause people started using it as their own private teamspeak? Never mind that I had nothing to do with the decision to close teamspeak?)

cooba's determination in keeping contact only when he wants to flame me doesn't stop by just muting and flaming/provoking when there's a chance. There's also the questionable fact of "randomly demoting me as an official" a year ago. That, after months, was resolved too by reinstating me as an official. Quite a few of the other active admins and officials at that time questioned cooba's way of demoting me. What do you mean, no personal agenda and capable leadership? cooba gave no proper explanation before, during and after my demotion as to why I should be demoted - it just happened. And again, he wouldn't even want to talk to me during that time even though FS tried to set up a chat between us 3 multiple times. Interesting enough cooba seemingly hates FS too (hasn't cooba called FS and me the 2 biggest idiots in the world/jj2 or something similar once?)

If anything, I suggest cooba to contact me in a normal way so we can talk and just continue with whatever. Ignoring each other, working together only when needed and not flaming each other whenever. If this happens I will just delete this message as if nothing happened and we'll continue playing jj2 (for fun, instead of flaming?). If this doesn't happen and cooba continues to flame me but ignoring any requests to talk normally (not like he will get any anymore), I believe "his credibility in this matter is compromised" like he once told me. I don't want him to post anything to/about me then anymore and I suggest any post about me to be deleted. I've been allowing him to PA me and requested to talk to him for quite some time but now I hope to resolve this publicly.

My intentions are clear, now I hope something actually happens one way or another. I didn't use many personal attacks cause that'd make this post too offensive. I hope something actually happens now, one way or another. I have intentionally not used any of my so hated sarcastic sentences.

Cheers
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#26 | [q]2012-12-05 14:17
I edited my post.

My single sided story? I'll ask you again - ever since you exploded at me have you tried talking? No? Instead you will continue to flame me, doesn't that require some "ill will" too? You chose to create the "mud you're dragged in" by continuing the flaming just as much as I chose to create the mud. But I am willing to step out of the mud which would mean just going on normally, without having to flame each other again and again.
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#27 | [q]2012-12-05 15:16
I had absolute 0 doubt gry or faw would march into veg's defense. while some of my posts are really crap, the ones on this thread certantly arent. Seeing cooba replied here there's not much to say from me, let them handle it i guess (must admit that i did not expect him to reply at all).


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#28 | [q]2012-12-05 15:23
Quote:
DEFENDS CLANMATE



ACCUSES FAWFUL WHO HASN'T EVEN COME NEAR
THE THREAD OF DEFENDING HIS CLANMATE


Also, I didn't really defend Veg with my post myself either, now did I? I tried to poke some fun at you, and then I said that both of them are mature enough to get past their differences. emo
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#29 | [q]2012-12-05 15:24
I dont know if you noticed but he called both your and toni's posts crap, cause they had nothing to do with the entire topic basically. Those posts were just "picking sides" as Gry said now. lol. I don't know where Gry defended either me or cooba.

(also, I had absolutely 0 doubt you and whatever Cxer would march in to defend cooba as well if that matters Xd)
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#30 | [q]2012-12-05 15:27
The reason why i said something there was becuz it really seemed like veg was making that thread up just to make cooba look bad (and i really didnt expect cooba to reply as i have already said). I specifically said "gry or faw" but you just wanted to flame i guess. You called my post to be full of crap which content said that he was trying to make cooba look bad (as i have said 10000 times) so that is defending him.




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#31 | [q]2012-12-05 15:39
Stop blaming eachother. Start your comment with an apology for your behavior, don't say anything negative about the other, then he migh do the same as well.
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#32 | [q]2012-12-05 15:44
Sure, I sincerely apologize to cooba for the flaming I have done to his address which in fact could've easily been avoided (including the chatlog which he showed). I don't think the current situation should continue as it is now. I also wanted to get rid of all the negative shit which is why I posted here as well.
Other than that, sorry King I misread your post there Xd.

I am not really sure if I can apology for having my name as it is now or for being open about my real life (and I already am way less open now). Those seemingly were points that annoyed cooba too.
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#33 | [q]2012-12-05 15:50
Yeah, sorry I read your "or" as an "and" emo

I didn't call your comments crap to be funny though, your posts were and are crap, so I decided to point it out in a funny way.

That fact that Veg supposedly does this in part to make cooba look bad deserves some attention, but not as much as you give to it and certainly not any more so than does the problem Vegito is bringing up in the first case.

The only reasonable conclusion so far is that one of them, the question is who, is either lying about their reconciliation attempts or is suffering from some kind of memory loss. emo Be that as it may, there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to forgive and forget (but not their schools or friends, because that wouldn't be normal *laugh*).
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#34 | [q]2012-12-05 17:31
I wrote it for a reason, not to mention i find your posts kinda crappy as well, guess world is "funny that way. Well i suppose you're allowed to have your opinion.


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#35 | [q]2012-12-06 01:25
Somewhat unrelated, Cooba is a known troll so I usually take what he says with a dust particle. More related, if you keep bringing back issues of the past, it is far more difficult to forgive. That's not particularly directed to one.


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#36 | [q]2012-12-06 10:06

Garnavis: Hey, still busy?
Mama Luigi: no
Mama Luigi: I finished the level pack
Mama Luigi: but Stijn deleted it
Garnavis: Oh, awesome
Mama Luigi: because of the story
Garnavis: Wait... not awesome
Mama Luigi: now I'm pissed of
Mama Luigi: off*
Garnavis: You should be
Garnavis: You put a lot of work into that
Mama Luigi: I did
Mama Luigi: (barely) anti-semetic jokes aside, I actually put some effort into a level pack for the community and it gets deleted by an admin with a power trip
Mama Luigi: **** Stijn, **** J2O, and **** Jazz 2
Mama Luigi: I probably sound like a hypocrite here but I feel very offended
Garnavis: Well, Stijn damn sure shouldn't have deleted it
Garnavis: But
Garnavis: Post it again
Mama Luigi: I will
Mama Luigi: friend of mine in the Jazz 2 community talked to Stijn about this, and this was his response:
Mama Luigi: "My mistake. However, I discussed it shortly beforehand with cooba, and we both thought levels with texts like "is this moral to do? who cares, I'm jewish!" aren't really appropriate for J2O.

Especially not on Christmas."
Mama Luigi: yeah, Merry ****ing Christmas, J2O
Garnavis: Because J2O is such a perfect community that never makes jokes like that
Mama Luigi: I know, right?
Garnavis: Ever
Garnavis: Well you just have to understand that the brain works like a hard drive
Garnavis: And CP is okay
Garnavis: Then you'll understand how J2O operates
Mama Luigi: something like that
Garnavis: So I was going to ask if you felt like playing some BG2
Mama Luigi: I just played a few rounds
Mama Luigi: I came back to check if anyone reviewed the level pack
Mama Luigi: then I saw Stijn deleted it and removed the thread I made about it in the JCS forum
Mama Luigi: mind if I post this log?
Garnavis: Sure
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#37 | [q]2012-12-06 18:04
(And if another show of good will is needed.. If we actually end up forgetting the past now and you stop flaming me, I will not reapply as a JDC official as that's what you so want)
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#38 | [q]2012-12-06 20:26
I've read everything here. Probably nobody here knows what happened between you two, before you two started insulting each other. Can anybody tell me? If you two don't know...
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#39 | [q]2012-12-06 20:42
its betwen them. Not to mention they both have their own stories, and its best to let them handle it, lets not get involved into their buisness as i doubt we can do anything to make it better. Now before you get all "then why did u post those comments then king?" and try to play a smartass like gry, i said that for the simple fact cuz i did not expect cooba to reply.


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#40 | [q]2012-12-06 23:19
even with the last comm,u just keep getting involved.w/e...
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#41 | [q]2012-12-07 20:19
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#42 | [q]2012-12-17 15:44
^ I agree. Anyway, cooba hasn't replied here anymore and showed no intentions of solving anything either. In fact he told me not to try to solve anything? Considering this post was a reply to his latest personal attacks directed at me I can only guess he'll leave me be now emo. If not, I hope admins take proper actions against his possible future personal attacks.
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#43 | [q]2013-01-11 00:18
Locked because it doesn't contribute to solving the problem. It will however get unlocked should cooba and Veg decide to try solving it through this thread again.


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