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     Toni | [q]2013-03-05 01:41
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Just thought you should replace pepper/fireball with salt so toni can still use it to defend in silwi diagonally. [FT] BE ROLLIN YO.


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#26 | [q]2013-03-06 22:28
Stop it, both of you.


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#27 | [q]2013-03-06 22:29
Ah well that makes it a lot better.


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#28 | [q]2013-03-07 01:56
Not sure what the 1st 4 posts were about, but if they were about Toni then I can see why Lith would delete them.

It's one thing to troll someone once or twice, it's completely different once it becomes systemic. Once you do that you're being a bully.

Granted lith likes to excercise his power and I can see why you'd be offended that he did, but if this was just a continuation of the same theme I can totally understand where Lith was coming from.

And this has happened in the past when some people were wearing Hell tags (or sth similar) and Gry got fed up with it back then as well because you guys took it too far. A joke is a joke, it's not supposed to last as long as a Dostoyevsky novel. You're supposed to come up with new ones.

And ostracizing random people for no good reason is just plain wrong. Sure Toni, like a lot of people, has had his share of silly comments on jjnet. LOL at him once or twice and then move on. If you have a beef tell him to his face, don't come up with a new clan and go all mafia-troll on his ass.

Not cool.

Cuz then you'll piss off other people (Sean, Lith etc), who might then react in a slightly biased way as well. But you can see why they would, cuz you couldn't help yourself and you took the whole thing too far.

Internet is a spawning ground for low quality humour, because so many people don't roll they eyes but instead write something like "LOL" and things get out of control. It's not really an achievement that humanity could be proud off.

If lith censored you for something else then I might agree with you. But obviously even if that is the case, his motive obviously stems from the whole Toni conundrum. Formally this would of course make you (King) in the clear.

Granted Lith could have just left the comments I guess, yet here we see yet again his proactive nature (even tho he's in aes!) which should come as no shock to anyone. Like everything in life it has its strengths and weaknesses.
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#29 | [q]2013-03-07 13:04
The funniest things here are:

- I didn't play this match
- I wasn't active for like a month or so
- I didn't talk to any of you here for a while
- Nothing here has to do with me

I still wonder what the hell made King post anything about me, and why is this argue still going on, even with me being totally inactive, without me ever noticing this thread until now.

Urbs, what the hell? I am thankful to all the guys who tried to stop these [people of subaverage general intelligence ~SE] from CX and their silly clan without me ever asking them to do so. I had no idea what was that clan for, and when they told me, the clan was almost dead. So, their joke didn't pass as they were hoping.

And, for the end, I would ask you not to delete posts, since I want to clear things up. What did I do, so you started trolling me with that clan? If you look for some bull****s from over 4 years, then you're retarded. If it's something bad I did in last 1 year, then go ahead, insult me, troll me, do anything you like, as long as it's not against the rules (like submitting fake ladders :FP )
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#30 | [q]2013-03-08 19:43
i didnt even bother reading urbs comment.

Toni,i dont know what you did 4 years ago, i dont know what you did 1 year ago, so it was not related to whatever it is. It was a simple joke. as for [ft] mot told me to add it, not really sure what it stands for, but its also a joke apparently.
Ask an admin to show you the comment and if something like that managed to hurt your feelings then i am very honestly deeply tragically horribly sorry, also adding that that would mean you're a sissy


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#31 | [q]2013-03-08 22:41
alright this has gotten way too far. Urbz joins the game and welcomes me in a very nice way "hi ****ing retard". Followed by "bully". This was a joke a joke a ****ing joke. There was nothing NOTHING insulting or any insulting intenstions in the comment. i am not going to take this crap anymore. If i knew you guys are such crybabies i would have never posted anything in the first place. Atleast i know for the future. Nice making drama out of something that was NOT insultive.


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#32 | [q]2013-03-09 01:21
"i would have never posted anything in the first place"

That'd be great. Thanks.
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#33 | [q]2013-03-09 01:26
"Just thought you should replace pepper/fireball with salt so toni can still use it to defend in silwi diagonally. [FT] BE ROLLIN YO." ~KingCx some time ago

Nothing to do with Toni, right King?
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#34 | [q]2013-03-09 01:44
TONI ROX emo emo emo
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#35 | [q]2013-03-09 02:00
mav this wholeeeeee convo is precisely about that. you're quite special arent you?


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#36 | [q]2013-03-09 10:12
I sincerely hope the EU politics don't go this way....
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#37 | [q]2013-03-09 11:40
Yeah King, it hurts me. First, don't talk behind my back when I am inactive. It's sissy. Second, pepper is more useful than fire****, you all know that. Changing things doesn't mean they get better. So ****ing true.

By the way, I warn you (not King, but the most idiotic person here), stop acting like an idiot. You're not an idiot, but you look like that. I have something, and if I say it in public, it won't be good for you. I am just not that big idiot to spread that everywhere, and to report you to admins. Be nice or beware. I don't insult you, you started and I will be ignoring you from now on, just like I did until now. Had to tell you that.
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#38 | [q]2013-03-09 12:36
Mav, could you be so nice and remind me who was that "trying to talk Portuguese" story about? Because I forgot. emo


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#39 | [q]2013-03-09 13:04
You seem to be deaf or blind. Or you're just cooba. I told you a lot of times - I lived in Portugal for 2 and a half years when I was born.
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#40 | [q]2013-03-09 13:08
I see. Then it surely couldn't have been you who pretended to be from Portugal, but couldn't say anything to Mav who tried to talk Portuguese to him/her. I heard they joined CC later on and Chiyu didn't want anybody to know that the person was Serbian.

Right Mav?


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#41 | [q]2013-03-09 13:18
With a community like this, where a small bunch of people are just searching for victims to troll and act innocent after that (if you disagree with this, you are either one of those trolls or you are defending them because you're friends/clanmates), I would also consider changing my nickname and pretending to be a new player from another country for a while. In fact I'd do that if I wasn't a server admin. There are 3 ways to deal with trolls: fight back, ignore them, or switch to another identity. The last way is probably the smartest.
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#42 | [q]2013-03-09 13:30
RZARTOWALAM W TAKIM RAZIE,,,,,,.,.
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#43 | [q]2013-03-09 13:30
I basically agree, except "a small group" needs to be replaced with "about 25 people", "victims" with "people doing stuff so retarded that they deserve to be trolled", and "the smartest" with "the one that makes me look like an insecure smartass".


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#44 | [q]2013-03-09 13:33
No. "a small group" needs to be replaced with "some people of cx" and besides, nobody deserves to be trolled/bullied except in your harsh world.
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#45 | [q]2013-03-09 13:43
1. CX didn't exist in 2010
2. No, people absolutely need to be called out on stuff like:
- threatening to kill people over making cheat tools
- being so desperate for peer approval that low reputation on a forum gives them mental breakdowns
- trying to lie to people with a made up "cool emo emo emo" identity while they only ones they're fooling are themselves


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#46 | [q]2013-03-09 13:52
"If you look for some bull****s from over 4 years, then you're retarded." quoted from Toni.

And now you're bringing back events from 2010 that nobody cares about or remembers anymore.
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#47 | [q]2013-03-09 13:55
Of course a CC member would say that. emo


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#48 | [q]2013-03-09 14:22
Well we could go way back in time and I'm sure we could dig up a lot of corpses. That's completely fine by me.

But we could look at the current events.

When jj2+ came out people made some really mean comments against anybody and everybody who didn't agree with their OPINION. Toni disliked the new weapons and y'all had to go bat**** crazy on him.

The new gun is a nice addition in my opinion, but that's irrelevant. As for this definition of "victims": "people doing stuff so retarded that they deserve to be trolled". Well, it shows a lot about the hateful nature of the person writing this comment. Because when it comes to matters of taste, there can be no disputes.
(De gustibus non est disputandum)

Nobody can put their preferences above another and nobody is therefore allowed to be "trolled" because of his/her preferences. And most definitely one shouldn't be trolled on a permanent basis.

The reason why some of us are a bit pissed off is because this wasn't the 1st time. Some people in this community find something childish (here I take the views of Mr. Cooba on "victims" ) to be incredibly funny and then they pursue this joke no matter what (and by no matter what I mean no matter who it might hurt). Indeed the victims of mental retardation (what was so funny about [Hell]?) feel a need to act out, to be noticed by the world and they change the paradigm of victim-bully on its head. The universe victimized them by not endowing them with brains and they in turn victimize others with their lacklustre attempts at comedy which turns into a tragedy.

Or to put it simply, these simple-minded douchebags (as per the methodology of Mr.Cooba whereby calling other people names is counted as sound argumentation) make fun of others to make themselves feel better. And it works online because they don't get punched in the face. So they hide behind their screens and they troll. And they find excuses why trolling isn't bad.

They even get people who normally wouldn't have done this (like King) involved.

And then they cross the line and piss the rest of the community off.

Once that happens they try to deflect blame by shrugging it off (it didn't happen, you're being too sensitive about it etc.) or by deflecting attention to other matters (usually some past incidents of a similar nature). Because it's all right to troll if others have done it in the past, am I right?

Of course one can try and reason with these people, but there's no reasoning with them.

They will see a grand conspiracy against them and they will be even more convinced that the world is out to get them, so their response will be to troll even more.

Because like a bad comedian, they just don't know when to stop.

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#49 | [q]2013-03-09 14:25
OK, I should probably explain myself, so that no one thinks I'm only defending him because he's in CC. Imagine the following scenario:

Someone has created a cheating tool in 2010. A young player (let's say 15 years old) says he deserve to die. You decide to bring the issue up again in 2013 by using a clantag dedicated to trolling that player (I'm referring to FT).

It's a smart plan - you and your friends want to do everything possible to piss the player off. Ironically, while some of you are saying crap about him on JJ2 (I mean more than just wearing the FT tag, and by "some of you", I am referring to at least 2 CX members who are NOT cooba or king, were not active in 2010, and probably barely know him), he isn't even active. So you try a different approach: trolling him with comments on jj.net (mocking his opinion about a weapon in the game etc). JJ.net is a place where he is more likely to see your provokations and reply.

And when you finally get the desired reaction from him, you bring up what he said or did in 2010. I think everyone would agree that he didn't do anything that shouldn't be forgiven 3 years later.

The player in question is 18 years old now, and for sure a lot more mature than he was in 2010 (a 15 year old frustrated in a computer game, that's actually quite normal).

For sure you were not expecting an apology from him for his past actions. You were just bullying him for fun. And you are old enough to be more mature than that, but you want to keep living in your "harsh world" that Vegito mentioned.

To sum it up, this was my conspiracy theory about the situation, feel free to try to prove me wrong.
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#50 | [q]2013-03-09 14:30
"Someone has created a cheating tool in 2010. A young player (let's say 15 years old) says he deserve to die."

Try 2012 and 17...

Urbs, I spent six months testing and helping implementing the new JJ2+ features, I have a moral right to consider misguided opinions on it invalid. emo


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