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How long should ladder match rounds be by default?
10 minutes
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16 (76%): Grytolle Kyro Vivando Lithium Lahm aimane Anna Toni Vegito Ragnarok Iustyn wKtK -Riko- Ahmo Reni RabidRabb

15 minutes
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5 (24%): MasterSven ShakerNL Anubis Slaz Owen

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     Round length in ladder matches | [q]2013-09-29 17:51
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This is a vote to determine whether the default length of rounds in ladder matches should be changed to 10 minutes or be kept at 15 minutes. This vote is held because it is quite obvious that most people prefer the shorter games and it becomes an increasingly important issue as school takes up more of everyone's time this autumn.

Only the votes of clanleaders of active clans (in this season, or clans that were allowed to participate in the last mappool vote*) will be counted when the results of this poll are tallied (1 clan, 1 vote)

* Obviously CC/aEs do not get to vote an extra half time each as RDS

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Edit2: This poll closes Thursday evening.
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MasterSven
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#1 | [q]2013-09-29 17:57
It doesnt make sense to lower the default timelimit to the minimum allowed time. Besides its still an official game, games shorter than 10 minutes a round will be too short to give much indication of skills, many matches will be decided by luck and small moments of control then.
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#2 | [q]2013-09-29 18:07
I think that 10 minutes is a fine default. If you are going to play multiple ladders in a row, 10/10 allows each match to take about 30 minutes total, and then if you want to play two it will only take an hour. Therefore it sounds like a better idea to play ladder for an hour than with 15/15, the two ladders we just played must have taken 1.5-2 hours including organization time and with some pauses during games. The effects of changing the variable just means at higher amounts it requires more stamina and of course you can play for longer.
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#3 | [q]2013-09-29 18:13
The timelimit shouldnt motivate to play more matches, it doesnt matter how many you'll play, the ladder will end once anyway. If you want to play as much games as possible I suggest you play for fun. Ladder matches have some more importance. If you decide the default time is 10 and 5 will also be allowed then ladder matches are gonna be a joke. Many games will be over before they are halfway. Remember the default time used to be 20 minutes a round, like in clanwars. Just play 1 longer match then instead of 2 quickies.
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#4 | [q]2013-09-29 18:38
I've never seen a 5 minute ladder. In 20 minutes per round you will most likely see who is the best team, and in a random game to 5 max score, I would expect it to take about 20 minutes. But ladders take extra time compared to random matches.

In order to win 100 ladders with 20 minute rounds, it takes 67 hours of play time, compared to 10 minute rounds it takes 33 hours, and at 15 minutes it takes 50 hours.
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#5 | [q]2013-09-29 20:07
Fun > Win
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#6 | [q]2013-09-29 20:09
KRSplat, there were 5mins ladders, and 1 round only (4 matches in total). I remember Slayer played some ladders like that, and then an admin made one match with 4 rounds if I remember well.

MS, I think 10mins will stay as minimum.

And really, I sometimes don't have so much time to play 2 rounds with 15mins per round.
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#7 | [q]2013-09-29 22:11
"§1.3 The timelimits of the rounds have to amount to atleast 20 minutes (which is equal to the time consumed by two minimal rounds)."

Anyway, I usually refuse anything longer than 10 minutes per round. 10 minutes per round usually takes 20+ minutes per round cause of organizing, stops, level choices etc etc. My vote is obvious emo
Slaz
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#8 | [q]2013-09-30 22:31
The longer the better, I guess. emo
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#9 | [q]2013-09-30 22:48
I've rarely played any 15/15 or 20/20 ladders except against CDF, which seems to be the only clan insisting on playing 15 minute rounds and claiming it results in a more balanced match. While the score/time limit of 15 minutes might suit certain matches and playstyles (probably the ones CDF members use), I think 10/10 matches are far better since they do not consume as much time and it's easier to calculate the odds and plan out scoring accordingly. I'd say we lower it to 10/10, wiith it being the default and lowest possible limit, while allowing the clans to agree on limits up to 20/20.


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#10 | [q]2013-10-02 01:53
More than 10 minutes will just lead to more "brb shower"...

And obviously the best way to really see the potential and skill of both teams is to 50/50 on mulch.


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#11 | [q]2013-10-02 03:25
Seriously, who would choose to shower in the middle of a game?

I don't play ladders, so I'm indifferent on the matter.


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#12 | [q]2013-10-02 07:42
Treylina wrote:
Seriously, who would choose to shower in the middle of a game?


A certain team that played this ladder emo


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#13 | [q]2013-10-02 14:32
Why would it matter..?
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#14 | [q]2013-10-03 15:47
10 minutes (4 or 5 votes): CC (Grytolle), -t3> (Vivando), aEs (Lithium), GpW? (Lahm/Reni), CX (Ragnarok)
15 minutes (1 vote): CDF (MasterSven)

I doubt that anything will change before midnight, but here's a friendly reminder for the remaining clans to vote.

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#15 | [q]2013-10-03 19:58
why the "?"?
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#16 | [q]2013-10-03 23:34
Dunno if any of you are a leader.


Wohoo its 10 min now.