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flag Civilian Defence Force vs Gurus of Proactive Warfare flag
Type:Ladder
Referee:———
Player amount:2on2
Date:2011-04-19 16:55
Score:8:30
Score details:BBlair -> 4:11, , Galactic Warfare -> 4:19
Demos:---
Description
[GpW] picked BBlair
[CDF] picked Galactic Warfare

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Iustyn
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2011-04-21 20:33 
DZ:Invalid.....i guess it rlly is! xD
Andrei
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2011-04-21 07:52 
So this game is invalid emo.
RabidRabb
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2011-04-20 21:23 
make jokes in not counting matches..
MasterSven
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2011-04-20 17:36 
King Kenny, were you referring to the kings of fake?
Grytolle
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2011-04-20 13:34 
If you don't like to cause consequences for your team, don't pull this kind of sick pra]nks, Kenny. emo
Vegito
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2011-04-20 11:42 
I did get punished in 2005 for not faking a player either. I just created a new player. The point is you take away other players' chances to play a proper game, just like I took away players chances back in 2005. Personally, I considered it very fun too even if I got punished for it however it doesn't justify my actions. emo

CDF didn't agree at Kenny playing, you allowed him to play while he was faking Kryt. There's definitely something wrong in that right?

@ Lahm, if you play with another players name, EVEN if he knows about it, it is STILL faking. You allow a stronger player to fake a weaker player to give yourself higher chances. It has been done TONS of times in clanwars/games, especially in the 2002-2005 era. It has always been frowned upon/punished when possible. "We faked a team-player with him agreeing" - yes, but the rest of jj2 or the ladder rules didn't agree emo.

Edited: 2011-04-20 11:42 by Vegito
Lahm
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2011-04-20 11:28 
BUT we didnt fakeanyone,We faked a team-mate with him agreee.
Andrei
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2011-04-20 11:26 
kryt pretending hes kryt wouldnt be a joke anymore... and kryt pretending hes me wouldnt be allowed by cdf. only me pretending im kryt would be allowed emo.
Vegito
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2011-04-20 11:09 
RA got punished with like -100 and a ban. That's far more severe :p
RabidRabb
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2011-04-20 10:23 
oh if kryt would win it too and he was talkin to u online the why couldn't u let him play?
pfff i think this will make that nobody (except pro pwnerz) gonna ladder u gpw congratz: D
[GpW]Urbs
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2011-04-20 10:09 
i don't see how they could punish anybody else other than the team.
as for time wasted, the last 5 ladders were mainly with your teams anywayemo
Andrei
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2011-04-20 10:05 
Imo -5 would be too much, don't allow me to ladder but dont punish da team for one player's mistakes emo. I mean, wtf has lith or moti do with this? And it was only once, RA cheated with all the leadership in a clanwar, and this was a ladder which kryt would have won as well. So feel free to do w/e u want to me, but dont punish the team with -5 wins, because thats work and time wasted.

EDIT: Or rather -1 to us and +1 to cdf would be better?

Edited: 2011-04-20 10:15 by Andrei
[GpW]Urbs
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2011-04-20 00:04 
well, we'll take whatever the admins decide is the proper punishment.

Although atm imo adding 5 would be a bigger punishmentemo

I will say this though, we all **** up every once in a while, and while I do not condone Kenny's actions in any way, he is and will forever be, tha King Kenny!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ADuaiFE0Q&NR=1&feature=fvwp

You'll never walk alone m8!

All round the fields of Semiconductor where we once we watched the King Kenny play - and could he play!

YNWA

Edited: 2011-04-20 00:22 by [GpW]Urbs
KiMO
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2011-04-19 23:58 
@Kryt, there was some arrogance on me there yes, ive to agree.. but i don't see what does that have to do with the rules. more like i wanted to try myself, we had to score 4 times to get an equal score in the last 50 seconds (which is more than impossible). i don't think that's your problem after all, i got to catch them wait for 15 min, after that pj joined in because faw was idle.. that's the explanation, okay? stop trying to protect urself and get into off-topic
Grytolle
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2011-04-19 23:49 
Fake-nicking is one of the oldest tricks in the book of cheating, and eventhough it was very common back in the day, it's been very frowned upon and considered a big no-no for years no, which a fellow oldie clan like GpW is ofc aware of.

The rules have a special clause for dealing with bull**** that isn't clearly defined in the rules as such - so don't expect not to get punished for doing something that the community at large considers despicable.

It's one thing to replace players during the game but
-fake-nicking isn't ok
-breaking a formal agreement between the teams isn't ok (if it can be proven)

For example, if the clans agree that everyone must use lori in the game and may not use the running-function, you must stick to the agreement. Same thing applies to an agreement to exclude a certain player from the game.

At any rate, pretending you're someone you're not is never ok.

From what Sven said, it's obvious that GpW wasn't just being lame and that CDF surely didn't have it coming.

In my admin opinion, GpW should get -5 or something, since one of their two leadership figures was involved.

Edited: 2011-04-19 23:50 by Grytolle
Vegito
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2011-04-19 22:56 

Deleted: 2011-04-19 22:57 by Vegito
ThunderWalker
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2011-04-19 22:40 
Playing with Jazz is a nice handicap on most maps... and playing with Lori too because Lori plays very different from Spaz.
Being good with Spaz does not mean you're good with Lori and being good with Lori doesn't mean you're good with Spaz.
Jazz is however clearly inferior to Lori.
Laro24
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2011-04-19 22:33 
Kryt, you're starting something different now, don't let this turn into a flamewar. emo

@Urbs Apologies accepted. emo

Edited: 2011-04-19 22:35 by Laro24
[GpW]Urbs
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2011-04-19 22:30 
well it wasn't fair and if I had been cdf i'd be royally pissed at us as well atm.

although the handicap thing, that's going 2 far mateemo (plus if you admit other charatcers are inferior why still use them?emo)

And I agree it's not funny. But what's done is done, I can't say anything else other than to say I'm sorry.

If CDF wishes we can delete this ladder, should the admins comply with CDF's wishes. If not, all you get is my apologies.

But we most definitely wont be playing with Jazz... Well SILWI maybeemo
Krytical
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2011-04-19 22:27 
Who talking about the rules hahaha : KIMO :O...Who

humiliated that sonic to leave when the match was

alomst over and even with the best player of jj2 u

couldn't comeback the score in 50 sec and let moti

and afii to wait 20 min for ur arrogant behavior.

[emo]

Edited: 2011-04-19 22:37 by i:m
FawFuL
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2011-04-19 22:25 
Ah k, I was confused because it would really look like you make an idiot out of yourself if you are stating the opposite all of sudden and support that. emo

Edited: 2011-04-19 22:26 by FawFuL
Lithium
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2011-04-19 22:23 
I do still think the teams should be fair,but there still isn't a rule about it,and it's the same thing you said there emo
FawFuL
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2011-04-19 22:16 
"But you have to understand how players like veg, faw, kenny get pretty upset cuz nobody wants to ladder them."

It surely is, but even if it's totally lame and we get very pissed, I would never force someone to play in such kind of way. emo

"I don't think there's a strict jj.net rule about doing that. Sure,it's a bit lame but still,when you agree on a ladder with GpW you agree on every our team,as Kenny said.

After all,it's just one point..."

I remember you had a very different point of view on fair/ranked teams, or are you just chosing sides for personal reasons? Not to long ago you actually thought the opposite way about this point.

Edited: 2011-04-19 22:23 by FawFuL
ThunderWalker
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2011-04-19 22:11 
You know, I laughed my ass of when reading through this emo
From a certain point of view, you could definately argue GpW is a clan consisting of noobs now ^^^ emo

@Urbs: That's usually the price of being too good. It does not happen only at JJ2 - it happens at almost all games when the differences are too large.
You would not step in the ring against the world-champion kickboxing either, would you?

But in JJ2 you don't get hurt, so sometimes you still would though those games aren't fun usually. Kenny could give himself some handicap like picking Jazz tho which might be more fun.

Edited: 2011-04-19 22:14 by ThunderWalker
Laro24
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2011-04-19 22:10 
Kimo, this time I wanted to say what you said. emo
KiMO
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2011-04-19 21:22 
yeah kenny, u know what's actually funny in this story? the fact that only u, kryt and lahm enjoyed this so-called "joke". the rest of us still think it was lame especially bcs u needed to broke the rules to have fun.
Lithium
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2011-04-19 21:13 
Alright,not gonna post a direct reply. You're wrong,we're wrong,we don't get a point,the end.
i:m
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2011-04-19 21:13 
http://jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=com&id=234
Andrei
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2011-04-19 21:10 
I don't really care, but it was ****ing funny. Stop being so serious, yeah we broke the rules, we don't get the point, but it was ****ing ufn. And thats what matters the mostemo.
Laro24
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2011-04-19 21:08 
Kenny, it isn't about the point, its about breaking the rules to get that point.

"Clans abusing the ladder system in any way in order to gain an advantage or just to be a nuisance will be deleted."

Lets end this discussion now. emo
Loon
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2011-04-19 20:59 
It's quite lame when a team plays with other nicks. So you expect someone else is playing so you can change your tactics. Faking someone in a ladder isn't just a 'joke', it's 'cheating'. And CDF allready played 3 times against Kenny. So it means that Kenny has played instead of he didn't play.

And it might be that the clan decides who is playing, but the other clan can refuse to play against that team. If you don't accept that you have 3 options.
-You don't play.
-You'll get another member
-You'll play with a fakename of another member and risk to get an invalid match.
Lahm
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2011-04-19 20:56 
We just Lol'ed our face's and it worked,+With kryt it was WORSE than with kenny

Edited: 2011-04-19 21:00 by Lahm
DanZeal
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2011-04-19 20:53 
Invalid.
Andrei
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2011-04-19 20:49 
Me kryt and lahm were connected on skype and we kept lol'ing basically. It really was a joke. Get ur point and make this invalid and let us lose on walkover if u want, i already enjoyed the joke emo.
Laro24
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2011-04-19 20:38 
It isn't funny but lame, if you want to win games by faking your own clanmembers, you're pretty much desperate. Enough said.
MasterSven
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2011-04-19 20:24 
That clan asked us, we refused. 3 Times we let GpW pick their team, 3x Kenny played, we lost 3 times. I agreed on Lahm with some more fair (still unfair) teams, I could have got maxi btw.
Not many clans play against Kenny that much and yet he gets mad at us. Kids that did something wrong often call something a joke, but they know there is nothing funny about it.
KiMO
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2011-04-19 20:08 
u only act like a stupid or really don't get the point?
Lithium
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2011-04-19 20:01 
Right now they asked that new clan made up of clanhoppers for a ladder emo
Andrei
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2011-04-19 19:58 
If you really want it back, fine. Make this game invalid and go ladder cpt, cdf.
Lithium
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2011-04-19 19:57 
I don't think there's a strict jj.net rule about doing that. Sure,it's a bit lame but still,when you agree on a ladder with GpW you agree on every our team,as Kenny said.

After all,it's just one point...
Andrei
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2011-04-19 19:55 
As long as we should be able to pick our team, not you, and i used the name of a GpWer and a GpWer played dunno why this game shouldn't be valid. And kryt could have played with lahm and won as well, we just wanted to do a jokeemo. (me lahm kryt).
i:m
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2011-04-19 19:52 
its just skill of lahm emo
Lahm
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2011-04-19 19:15 
Trust me we dont cheat:O
[GpW]Urbs
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2011-04-19 18:50 
im not saying its ok
and im not sure if the match is even valid. I'm just explaining the motivation behind kenny's actions.
Laro24
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2011-04-19 18:42 
But still it is sad and coward. emo
[GpW]Urbs
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2011-04-19 18:36 
haha wowemo

Uhm ya, kinda lame kennyemo

But you have to understand how players like veg, faw, kenny get pretty upset cuz nobody wants to ladder them.
Hakum97
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2011-04-19 18:35 
new radar for gpw?
KiMO
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2011-04-19 18:25 
that's a wonderful technique of winning, gpw xD
Laro24
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2011-04-19 18:21 
Playing under someone else's nick is not allowed and this match should be invalid.
Krytical
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2011-04-19 18:20 
ms ladder?
MasterSven
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2011-04-19 18:17 
I already suspected GpW of cheating, I just didn't know how.
We played 3x against Kenny in a few days.
Lahm asked me to ladder him and Kenny, I said I didn't want to ladder him and Kenny cuz even me and maxi couldn't beat him and Lahm on bblair.
It is not allowed to play under someone else's name. Evenmore it is very sad that you are so desperate to play and win that you don't even allow slightly fairer teams.
I won't play against GpW again at least for a while.

Edited: 2011-04-19 18:18 by MasterSven
i:m
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2011-04-19 17:59 
kryt ***y stats
Andrei
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2011-04-19 17:56 
Kryt in this game was me. Otherwise they wouldn't let me play, while we decide who plays or not emo.
Lahm
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2011-04-19 17:07 
same comemnt:no comment
Vegito
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2011-04-19 17:07 
extra kracht
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