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Match: CC vs [GpW]
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Summary
flag CraccoClan vs Gurus of Proactive Warfare flag
Type:Ladder
Referee:flag MasterSven
Player amount:3v3
Date:2018-06-03 20:00
Score:18:11
Score details:Nightwalker -> 6:0, , Nightwalker -> 0:5, , Distopia -> 3:3, , Distopia -> 1:2, , BBSwing -> 4:0, , BBSwing -> 4:1
Demos:JJ2TV
Description
This was a clanwar.
CC gained 20 points.
[GpW] lost 20 points.

[GpW] picked Nightwalker
CC picked Distopia
BBSwing was a tie break


[[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 20:06:32]]
**Current level: "Nightwalker" - /home/cd_assets\xlmnight.j2l
**Next level: xlmnight
**Game Mode: CTF
**Custom Mode: OFF
[20:06:37] >>> Game Start
*** Game End Stats [[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 20:22:04]] ***
>> Winner: Blue Team
Blue Score: 6
Red Score: 0
ID IP Address Player Name Team Points Roasts FRoasts KRoasts Deaths SDs Caps Scores Solos Drops KDrops
3 85.145.193.166 VegitoCC Blue 12 12 6 2 10 0 5 2 0 2 0
7 41.38.222.131 kyr0CC Blue 13 13 8 2 5 0 4 1 0 3 0
8 84.27.150.9 LoonCC Blue 20 20 6 2 4 0 5 3 0 2 0
18 109.121.53.156 Jelly[GpW]Jam Red 1 1 0 0 15 0 8 0 0 8 2
21 178.222.18.58 Pavlus[GpW] Red 12 12 3 0 13 0 9 0 0 8 2
22 147.91.36.39 lazergpw Red 6 6 4 0 17 0 4 0 0 4 2
[20:23:44] >>> Mode: CTF
*** Game End Stats [[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 20:34:24]] ***
>> Winner: Blue Team
Blue Score: 5
Red Score: 0
ID IP Address Player Name Team Points Roasts FRoasts KRoasts Deaths SDs Caps Scores Solos Drops KDrops
3 85.145.193.166 VegitoCC Red 16 16 8 0 9 0 5 0 0 5 0
7 41.38.222.131 kyr0CC Red 8 8 2 0 9 0 5 0 0 5 2
8 84.27.150.9 LoonCC Red 11 11 3 0 10 0 7 0 0 6 3
18 109.121.53.156 Jelly[GpW]Jam Blue 7 7 2 0 12 0 8 3 0 4 0
21 178.222.18.58 Pavlus[GpW] Blue 6 6 3 2 10 0 8 1 0 7 0
22 147.91.36.39 lazergpw Blue 15 15 11 3 13 0 3 1 0 2 0
[20:35:27] >>> Game End

[[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 20:35:28]]
**Current level: "Distopia" - /home/cd_assets\distopia.j2l
**Next level: capture3
**Game Mode: CTF
**Custom Mode: OFF
[20:35:32] >>> Game Start
*** Game End Stats [[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 20:48:13]] ***
>> 2-way tie
Blue Score: 3
Red Score: 3
ID IP Address Player Name Team Points Roasts FRoasts KRoasts Deaths SDs Caps Scores Solos Drops KDrops
3 85.145.193.166 VegitoCC Red 9 9 5 0 14 0 7 1 0 6 1
4 84.27.150.9 looncc Red 13 13 9 0 11 0 6 1 0 4 0
7 41.38.222.131 kyr0CC Red 19 19 14 3 9 0 6 1 1 5 2
18 109.121.53.156 Jelly[GpW]Jam Blue 9 9 5 0 15 0 12 1 0 11 2
21 178.222.18.58 Pavlus[GpW] Blue 13 13 5 0 13 0 10 2 0 8 0
22 147.91.36.39 lazergpw Blue 12 12 5 3 13 0 10 0 0 9 1
[20:50:05] >>> Mode: CTF
*** Game End Stats [[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 21:00:06]] ***
>> Winner: Red Team
Blue Score: 1
Red Score: 2
ID IP Address Player Name Team Points Roasts FRoasts KRoasts Deaths SDs Caps Scores Solos Drops KDrops
3 85.145.193.166 VegitoCC Blue 13 13 4 0 11 0 7 0 0 7 0
4 84.27.150.9 looncc Blue 17 17 12 1 8 0 4 0 0 3 1
7 41.38.222.131 kyr0CC Blue 12 12 6 0 8 0 5 1 0 4 1
18 109.121.53.156 Jelly[GpW]Jam Red 8 8 4 0 13 0 10 1 0 9 0
21 178.222.18.58 Pavlus[GpW] Red 10 10 4 1 15 0 8 0 0 7 0
22 147.91.36.39 lazergpw Red 9 9 6 1 14 0 7 1 0 6 1
[21:13:50] >>> Game End

[[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 21:13:51]]
**Current level: "Swingin Jazz" - /home/cd_assets\bbswing.j2l
**Next level: BBswing
**Game Mode: CTF
**Custom Mode: OFF
[21:13:56] >>> Game Start
*** Game End Stats [[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 21:29:21]] ***
>> Winner: Blue Team
Blue Score: 4
Red Score: 0
ID IP Address Player Name Team Points Roasts FRoasts KRoasts Deaths SDs Caps Scores Solos Drops KDrops
3 85.145.193.166 VegitoCC Blue 12 12 5 1 9 0 7 1 0 5 0
4 84.27.150.9 looncc Blue 9 9 4 1 5 0 4 2 0 2 0
7 41.38.222.131 kyr0CC Blue 16 16 6 2 8 0 6 1 0 5 0
18 109.121.53.156 Jelly[GpW]Jam Red 3 3 1 0 11 0 7 0 0 6 4
21 178.222.18.58 Pavlus[GpW] Red 8 8 6 0 13 0 6 0 0 6 0
22 147.91.36.39 lazergpw Red 11 11 5 0 13 0 3 0 0 3 0
[21:31:05] >>> Mode: CTF
*** Game End Stats [[Sunday, June 03, 2018 at 21:42:31]] ***
>> Winner: Red Team
Blue Score: 1
Red Score: 4
ID IP Address Player Name Team Points Roasts FRoasts KRoasts Deaths SDs Caps Scores Solos Drops KDrops
3 85.145.193.166 VegitoCC Red 16 16 8 0 9 0 8 3 0 5 0
4 84.27.150.9 looncc Red 13 13 9 1 7 0 7 1 0 5 0
7 41.38.222.131 kyr0CC Red 16 16 8 3 9 0 8 0 0 8 1
18 109.121.53.156 Jelly[GpW]Jam Blue 6 6 2 0 15 0 10 0 0 10 2
21 178.222.18.58 Pavlus[GpW] Blue 7 7 6 0 14 0 11 1 0 10 2
22 147.91.36.39 lazergpw Blue 12 12 10 1 16 0 6 0 0 5 0


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Comments
Kyro
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2018-06-13 11:47 
Done emo
Jelly Jam
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2018-06-13 10:11 
You forgot to put the ref. emo
Loon
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2018-06-04 01:26 
exciting match, wp
gg
lets do dis again
[GpW]Urbs
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2018-06-03 23:04 
Guys, super proud of you. Great job!
Jelly Jam
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2018-06-03 22:51 
Good game and congratulations CC. You truly deserved it.

We hope we were a decent enough challenge for you as well, despite losing so hard in the tiebreaker.

This has been an enormous experience, especially for me since it was my first clanwar. We have lost here today but maybe that's a good thing. You definitely gave us something to think about. We will work on our mistakes and no doubt that we will come back even stronger!

At least after all of this we have all the requirements for a nice revenge, so watch your back!

Well played again and see you in the playoffs!
Vegito
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2018-06-03 22:23 
This clanwar changed the ranking entirely xd gg wp
Krzysiek
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2018-06-03 22:01 
cc wonned.

GG
cooba
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2018-06-03 21:52 
emo
MasterSven
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2018-06-03 14:52 
I can ref u noobs emo
Jelly Jam
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2018-06-03 11:21 
Ref needed still. emo
Vivando
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2018-06-02 09:39 
I prefer not to ref this time. Only broadcast (and commentate) if needed. emo
Loon
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2018-06-02 00:22 
sure if thats possible
Jelly Jam
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2018-06-02 00:04 
I misinterperted, thinking you wanted 3 refs at once.
Loon
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2018-06-01 23:45 
krzy: perhaps i can ref. not sure yet.
cj: I could potentially BC this match. (also be ref)
ms: I can most likely ref
Jelly Jam
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2018-06-01 23:42 
Why 3 ref lol
Loon
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2018-06-01 23:10 
3 refs perhaps and most likely to do so
well, and 1 bc, but the bc could be ref aswell
figure it out plx
MasterSven
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2018-06-01 12:32 
I can most likely ref
Loon
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2018-06-01 12:30 
so wat happens when there is no ref
will the match continue
or what
Jelly Jam
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2018-05-30 16:30 
x2
Loon
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2018-05-30 14:31 
ref needed
still
Vivando
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2018-05-28 19:13 
I could potentially BC this match.
Jelly Jam
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2018-05-28 12:26 
not fine by me
Loon
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2018-05-28 09:51 
or no ref
fine by me
Krzysiek
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2018-05-25 20:49 
perhaps i can ref. not sure yet.
Loon
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2018-05-25 20:40 
so this will happen on june 3rd
anyone ref?
k thx bai
Loon
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2018-05-25 15:04 
well said jelly
Jelly Jam
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2018-05-24 19:08 
lets do dis
Vivando
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2018-05-24 18:55 
Done.
Vegito
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2018-05-24 18:44 
Please schedule, sunday the 3rd, 20:00 CET
KRSplatinum
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2018-05-22 08:47 
I found it easy enough to get out of playing any ladder this season, just by saying no. And accepting that ladder points are not worth 20 minutes to me. Are you guys just looking for something to argue over? Personally I don't want to play a clanwar either and don't plan on it, as I have no investment in ladder points. Why are we making such a big deal out of nothing? Just play if you want to; if you don't, then don't.
[GpW]Urbs
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2018-05-21 16:33 
What Viv said.

The CW challenge was put in to stop RL and RA winning by not playing CW's. But that has been mitigated somewhat by the existence of playoffs and mandatory clanwars during playoffs.

Now let's be honest we'd prefer to have CDF in the 4th berth and CC would have saved us all a lot of trouble had they just laddered a bit more and secure the 4th spot.

An additional issue if we win will be that CX is probably inactive and it'll be hard to schedule anything with them. Basically, if we want good playoffs we'd need to have gpw, t3, cdf and cc (or the nigerians instead of either the 3rd or the 4th team).

I can already see that scheduling will be a factor because we wont have artegor for a long time and that suxx. I told my guys I'd prefer to lose and have the playoffs sooner just so that the activity is kept alive and we can start the next season before july. As it is I kinda doubt that will happen. That's partially on us, but partially also on the opponents who started laddering a bit late and then decided to challenge us.

Now I know shadow and my team are pissed off and tensions are growing, but let's calm down guys. As far as the GPW squad is concerned I could not be prouder of you guys for having achieved what you did this season. As far as CC i concernced it's nice to see you guys make a comeback as well and let's not spoil this by the usual bickering.

I do hope things get underway tho, because if the whole process stops for a long time and we fall out of form, then I will be a bit pissed off, even though CC didn't do anything that's against the rules.
Artegor
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2018-05-21 16:13 
We would never use it to avoid your clanwar anyway. What I wanted to do is to show you that we have the right to REJECT your cw, according to rules.
It's funny how you're trying to get out of this situation as a hero, and make us look like we caused all of this.
Even if I'd have what to say, I'll just stop it here.
Thank you for the...whatever.
Vivando
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2018-05-21 16:02 
It has always been that near the end of a season the clan ranked as first is very likely to be challenged by lower ranked clans. This has given each season at least a nice finale when play-offs weren't played. No clan has ever tried to bypass those final challenges, even when playing the CW challenges wasn't mandatory yet.

During play-off seasons the clans usually didn't bother to challenge each other since all the active and motivated clans were basically guaranteed a place in the play-offs. Now is probably the first time when there are more than 4 clans seeking a place in the play-offs, which also helps to keep the competitive scene active and interesting. emo

The rules of this ladder were never flawless, obviously, since it's not run by paid professionals. People require time and motivation to develop and maintain it, so it is not very nice behaviour to only blame the rules and call them biased. We take in suggestions whenever people come up with ideas for better concepts.

Also remember how low the general activity was at the beginning of the season? Not everyone even expected the current season to finish anymore...at least within the following year or two. That's when the admins (including me) got lazy as well and did not find motivation to go through the rules properly. Sorry about that. emo
Vegito
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2018-05-21 14:29 
Stop trying to get out of the CW, it won't work. The rules are made so a lower active and ranked but higher skilled clan can challenge a less skilled more active clan (like RA was at some point).
Quickly challenging CDF and then claiming "we have a clanwar" won't get you anywhere and trying to use it is lame at best.

Besides, I wouldn't even be surprised if GpW wins seeing your activity vs ours.

A change in rules is also proposed anyway, cutting the CW-score in half (gain/loss 20+5 points at most instead of 40+5 points). That's to GpW's advantage and CC's disadvantage. Happy?
The new rules should be added this evening, and will affect these clanwars too.

If you've got something else to suggest: Go ahead, it is all taken into consideration.
But please stop with the whining without suggesting anything, or set up your own ladder so we can claim "omg ladder = gpw they'll bend the rules in their favour always" .... That's the last I'll add to this discussion for now.

Edited: 2018-05-21 14:39 by Vegito
Artegor
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2018-05-20 19:25 
�7.1.1 The challenge system on JJNet must be used if the match shall be counted as a CW.

2018-05-18 23:00 | CC vs [GpW]

�2.2 If a clan has a clanwar scheduled within the next 30 days, this rule does not apply and they may refuse all challenges sent to them.

2018-05-26 21:00 | [CDF] vs [GpW]

So the rules say we can refejct cc's challenge. Can't wait to see what will cc think of next.
ShadowGPW
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2018-05-20 19:23 
Thats why ladders such as ClanBase and ESL had/have diminishing returns in their ELO emo
Vegito
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2018-05-20 11:14 
A fix to the CW point-system is being discussed because it was made for a ladder to 200 points.
@ Shadow: A ladder is still about activity too, so yea, we shouldn't force a rule to stop spamming ladders, that's against the nature of this ladder.
CW's are here as a counter measure, it isn't an unfair system by default - the scores should just be adjusted a bit.
Loon
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2018-05-20 10:59 
Indeed it sucks.
Though it’s kinda unfair to spam ladder matches aswell. Measurements and actions had to be taken hihi
Pariah
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2018-05-20 04:10 
i dont care if cc is abusing the rules, i dont care if any clan is; come on people cc just wants a nice cw, lets give it to them.
ShadowGPW
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2018-05-20 02:21 
Current rules are flawed and clans abuse it. Then it needs a fix. Right now what is the point of keeping the ladder active if a clan like CC can randomly drop by and abuse it... or 4 other clans can spam it with matches?

This is wrong.

Edited: 2018-05-20 02:24 by ShadowGPW
MasterSven
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2018-05-19 22:50 
Mine is Hakum
Jelly Jam
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2018-05-19 20:37 
oof

EDIT: Mine is that you will all have free breakfast in bed every day for the rest of your life. Try to top that! Also muting Dawid yea

Edited: 2018-05-19 22:13 by Jelly Jam
Krzysiek
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2018-05-19 20:36 
"jjnet is more than a half cc"

i dont mind giving me some powers to decrease that ratio.

emo

Edit: one of my promises is that i will keep muting jety every single time she start to ****talk.

Edited: 2018-05-19 20:49 by Krzysiek
[GpW]Urbs
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2018-05-19 20:02 
Vegito I remember the rule you mention and I fully agree with it because it mitigates the difference between quantity of games played and the maximum potential of different teams. But usually you would issue clanwar challenges with a date in mind and that date wouldn't be the date of the challenge itself.

It's a moot point now because CC is willing to negotiate a date, but a lot of trouble could have been avoided if the challenge had been done properly, whereas it looked as if you guys were either trolling or trying to make us lose points by not responding to the challenge. I'm completely fine with a CW and I'm sure Jelly and company will find a suitable date as well.

TLDR: It's all good we'll sort it out, and GpW is going to be in the playoffs either way, we don't really care where we place.
Artegor
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2018-05-19 19:03 
I don't think it's respect or disrespect either. I really don't know what's so offending with saying that jjnet is more than a half cc. It's like I'm not judging or insulting you, I just pointed out something everyone already know, including you..
Vegito
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2018-05-19 18:46 
Your facts are wrong:
http://jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=crew

Although half of them are inactive, maybe it needs an update, just like this sites code.

You're saying claiming CC = jjnet has any kind of respect? Alright :p.

Edited: 2018-05-19 18:48 by Vegito
Artegor
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2018-05-19 18:14 
not frustrated, and what exactly is disrespectful here?
I just pointed out some facts, not disrespecting anyone.

"some other activity protection should be installed", you just said it yourself. Gl with abusing the rules then..
Vegito
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2018-05-19 17:57 
Inactivity penalties will not work.
The ladder, all of the clans, were inactive for 6 full months.

The CW's point system was created to do exactly this: avoid ladder spammers to just win and create a semi final of their liking.
It adds a bit of a skill requirement and an element surprise, but I do agree CW's should either be worth less or some other activity protection should be installed during the next season.

With 6 active clans a serious league won't work either, I think. It's the spontaneous nature of ladders which keeps jj2's clan scene quite alive while a league requires more planning/CW's.

"but i see nothing is logic when it's about jj net admins and cc.. or wait isn't it the same.
If you maybe were online sometimes, we wouldn't have had to "spam" ladders with cdf and t3. Didn't think about it?"

Quit being disrespectful when you're frustrated emo
The current season went from 200 to 100 points during the season, that may have been a wrong choice. Without it, we wouldn't have had this discussion now, and the rules would've made more sense then. Everyone's responsible for that.
Pariah
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2018-05-19 17:19 
they way cw are now is good, no need to change anything,
Artegor
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2018-05-19 16:47 
If you would get x points for winning a cw when max is 200, then it's logic that you get x/2 points when max is 100... but i see nothing is logic when it's about jj net admins and cc.. or wait isn't it the same.
If you maybe were online sometimes, we wouldn't have had to "spam" ladders with cdf and t3. Didn't think about it?
emo
ShadowGPW
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2018-05-19 16:39 
Weird assrules and points system, time for an elo + diminish returns system and inactivity penalties.

One team can spam the **** out of the ladder, other teams can just sitback and relax while others do the work and still able to claim a title in the end. Both I just find unacceptable.

it doesn't salvage this season's ladder but fix it for the future.

--------

Or just scrap ladders en go for league play.

Edited: 2018-05-19 16:42 by ShadowGPW
Loon
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2018-05-19 15:37 
that was offensive
Krzysiek
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2018-05-19 15:02 
"cc stood for c0ck clan i assumed?"

Edit: sry luun didnt mean to ;c

emo

Edited: 2018-05-19 16:38 by Krzysiek
Loon
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2018-05-19 14:18 
cc stood for c0ck clan i assumed?
no is this too offensive?
Vegito
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2018-05-19 14:13 
That's true, maybe have clanwars be worth less then, assuming the ladder stays 100 points.
30 instead of 45 or something.
Spamming ladders should in some way be rewarding at least, CC is looking like a total **** clan at the moment :p.

(However, spamming ladders GpW - CDF to have GpW win the season and have GpW - CDF in the semi finals is also quite lame).
Loon
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2018-05-19 13:52 
well you can still spam the ladder with matches then.
just laddering the same clan over and over again.
Vegito
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2018-05-19 13:30 
I propose a new rule:

To avoid total "unfairness" in the future (I mean come on, CC has barely been active this season and can qualify GpW, still end up second), maybe we should add an additional rule to CW challenges:

Maybe add a max score to it as well? If the difference between clans is too great (e.g. over 60 points), CW challenges can be denied too?
It's less demotivating then, because I can imagine this is really quite demotivating for GpW.

(but I'll be evil and suggest this rule to be added next season xd).
Vegito
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2018-05-19 11:28 
2.1 Clans with 40 points or more may not refuse clanwars (not ladder matches) against lower-ranked clans. Clanwar challenges should be sent on the site, but once the challenge has been received, the receiver should initiate negotiations about the details, most importantly: when the clanwar is to be played. Once an agreement has been reached, accept the clanwar and make sure that an admin updates the clanwar accordingly to the agreements reached (time, and any deviations from the standard clanwar format - make sure to provide evidence in the case of disputes).

Nobody knows the rules of a challenge anymore because the last one was so long ago?
Vivando
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2018-05-19 10:49 
These challenges on JJnet are only initial at first. Once a challenge has been sent, it is indeed up to the clans themselves to contact each other and agree on a real date, which is why the date here can be irrelevant. It can then be updated here later.

The clans should try to agree on a date within one (1) month from the date which the challenge was sent. Otherwise a neutral admin will sooner or later decide on a date.

Edited: 2018-05-19 10:51 by Vivando
MasterSven
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2018-05-19 09:37 
�7.1 We define a clanwar as a match for which the teams are well prepared, and are supposed to play with their best team. The match is planned ahead of time, which gives both clans a chance to prepare properly for it.
KRSplatinum
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2018-05-19 03:56 
I doubt if they really intended to have the cw today/yesterday, I think the date is just a placeholder for now
[GpW]Urbs
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2018-05-19 03:44 
Ok so this isn't gonna fly, you might want to schedule a CW on the same day, but there's no way in hell the council will see this as acceptable.

A different date can work of course.
KRSplatinum
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2018-05-19 02:02 
glhf, personally not interested in playing for cw/ladder, but exciting regardless, maybe i can broadcast or something if needed
Kyro
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2018-05-19 00:07 
We'll agree on it
Jelly Jam
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2018-05-18 23:58 
Can we decide on a better date? This came out as a complete surprise
Loon
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2018-05-18 23:56 
lets do dis
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