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     National Tournament | [q]2016-06-11 22:06
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Hey guys. I came up with an idea. Holidays starts soon, jj2 started to life again and we didnt do any big tournament since 2013 so we could organise NT. Yeah i know that it's hard to get 6-8 teams to play, but firstly we can just look how many players are interested. for example even if only 2-3 Polish ctf players left, its np to get some ppl back to play it!. I hope u'll think about it emo emo
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#1 | [q]2016-06-12 02:51
We should organise a graveyard tournament in one of those ghost town servers for the people that used to play.


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#2 | [q]2016-06-12 03:58
I'd be interested, though not to play, at least you'll have a spectator for the stream. There's not likely enough ctf players to represent even including the whole "new world".
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#3 | [q]2016-06-12 07:57
Yes! emo
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#4 | [q]2016-06-12 09:10
I always wanted to play the national tournament, although maybe I'm not good enough for my country's team.
Don't care that I can't play, I'm sad because I can't watch, since I don't have a PC (I do not really have time and money to go to these Internet cafe's and pay to use a PC for, like, half an hour).
I hope you can get enough teams. IMO it would be boring without at least 8 teams.
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#5 | [q]2016-06-12 09:15
id be interested in it. but i doubt we will get even 6 teams. Netherlands, Egypt, Poland. Germany, if gucky and plumbe are up for it. but serbia and romania do not seem to have enough active players atm. one would have to contact them i guess.
however if there are only 4 teams one could as well organize the tournament in a normal league system. every team plays against every other team and then we have a ranking.
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#6 | [q]2016-06-12 12:28
I support Kev's idea. emo
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#7 | [q]2016-06-12 14:01
PJ, moti? emo
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#8 | [q]2016-06-12 14:28
Perhaps a fantasy tournament would be a better idea. Then you have no restrictions regarding someone's nationality. You can just round up all active players and make (sufficient) teams out of them.
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#9 | [q]2016-06-13 19:13
I agree with MS, a fantasy tournament would be a better idea.
The NT is too much about players being from a certain country to be able to play.
That would rule Finland, UK and Sweden out already basically because of lack of players/activity, even though Viv, Rag and Gry are at least sort of active.
I for one am out - making a Dutch team more difficult already but a Dutch team would probably make it.
And then you have Egy with quite a few players players..

I'd say, give a normal 3v3 tournament a try and keep sort of fair teams.
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#10 | [q]2016-06-13 19:55
im pretty sure we wont get many teams in fantasy tournament. ppl just wont back to play. for example i can get Slayer back for NT but for fantasy tournament probably nope. also i heard something about UK team. CJ can play for EU emo
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#11 | [q]2016-06-13 20:35
Gladly. emo
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#12 | [q]2016-06-13 22:54
EU is a fantasy team. A country can be a fantasy team too btw. Just get 3 to 5 players and take whatever name u want.
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#13 | [q]2016-06-13 23:03
And besides, I don't think you should allow a very strong EU team again, like last time.
The last time EU reached the finals (or even won? I forgot) which is really weird considering it's an NT.
The EU team should be a fun team then, not an op team.
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#14 | [q]2016-06-13 23:06
Last final was EU vs POL B xD.

So yeah veg, thats why I propose to only have fun teams and drop the country thing so there are not entry barriers.

If u want a good tourney nowadays u need every player u can get.
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#15 | [q]2016-06-13 23:24
Me and gry, called it!
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#16 | [q]2016-06-14 00:05
I might join in with CDF if it's team games, but either way it's a good idea to promote some activity. emo
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#17 | [q]2016-06-14 00:17
Looking at what you've said; maybe in theory a fantasy team might be a better idea, but in practice it really wouldn't make a difference for reasons Krzysiek has stated.
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#18 | [q]2016-06-14 05:19
Someone could do a poll to determine whether there's more interest in a national tournament or a fantasy tournament.
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#19 | [q]2016-06-14 11:09
Yea and then CJ, Br, Gry, Urbs, Splat, King and Snooze want a NT, too bad they dont have a country. You know what, lets make EU, Finstonia and EGY B. There you go, fantasy tournament.

If you really want an NT then contact players from at least 6 real countries and make sure they have sufficient players.

You can count me out for sure if there is any fake country in the NT like EU or POL B.
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#20 | [q]2016-06-14 11:36
unfortunately we didnt even finish the latest 2vs2 tournament (also fantasy teams if u want) and when that was started there were way more active players than now.
but i agree with krzy, a NT is probably a better reason for ppl to return than a fantasy tourney, but who knows?!

why dont we do both, a NT and a fantasy tourney?
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#21 | [q]2016-06-14 11:55
Imo it would be better to focus on 1 tournament. As you said, its really hard to even finish a tournament nowadays.

Most people seem to prefer an NT, this means only a particular amount of players are able to play. If you want more participants you will have to add fake countries.

As far as I can see you could have Egypt, the Netherlands, Germany and Poland. Some serious effort could be put in to try to get Romania, Serbia and the UK to play. If you would have 2/3 of these then there would be enough teams.

If you wanna add EU and Egy B, you can call it an NT but its actually a fantasy tournament (for which ppl wont come bk right?).
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#22 | [q]2016-06-14 12:19
Maybe it's better to not think it through too much and draw the line at whichever team composition is considered fair and fun.

It could be a NT at it's core, with some 'fantasy' additions thrown in. To some it will be a NT, to others it'll be fantasy, to each his own. Most important would be to motivate people to play for their team whether they feel that team's their country or just their friends, or both.

I'd help playing for NL, but I am willing to play for NL B PLUS GERMAN Z X PLUS as long as everyone in that made up perfectionist country feels motivated enough to gain a team spirit. If not, then such team is indeed off the table.
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#23 | [q]2016-06-14 12:28
Again yes, a fantasy tournament would get more people initially but that doesn't mean they'd commit to it, much like the previous 2v2 tourney tbh.

I also do agree that it should be reserved for real countries too if there is an NT, like no second team for certain countries, but exceptions such as Finstonia doesn't seem too far fetched imo? Maybe less unfair than an EU team at least, and hopefully removes the whole discrimination factor of allowing a new team at the discretion that you didn't think they were a threat, so you allowed them to play (Europe). Then again, there would need to be a real reason as to why players could justify being in a team together without being from the same nation then that could be clarified by one rule if need be!

I think polls are a good idea if the results are kept anonymous, and then a proper assessment could be made. I would advise contacting some players directly to gauge interest levels like MS said though.
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#24 | [q]2016-06-14 12:37
I don't really see the need for a poll, especially anonymous. Its all about getting the involved people to play, if they want to then there can be a tournament.
If any unreal countries would appear, I would prefer EGY B over sth like Finstonia and definitely over EU.
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#25 | [q]2016-06-14 12:53
Let me remind you that people only let EU team play together but wouldn't let more logical combinations of countries because they were "too strong" - which is bs as reasoning...

Anyway having second teams for each country is worse in my opinion.

I meant keeping results hidden from the public till the end to prevent tactical voting etc.
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