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Jazz jackrabbit 2 TV

Hakum probably cheating

category: ctf ladder


[the match]


It looks to Cj, me, rag, moti and Krzysiek as though Hakum would be using unlimited ammo throughout this game, but we're curious what you guys think. Also, what would be a proper action to take for us admins? //Grytolle

Edit: CJ and I interrogated him. Here's what he had to say: pastebin.

Video by Ragnarok
Comments
Loon
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2016-11-15 12:50 
I still love the fact that there are only 6 seeker pick-ups in epitome and he managed to shoot 100 of them without picking a single one up.

(oh, I when I went to see this topic I thought 'Did he get caught again?' Well, nevermind that.)
Jelly Jam
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2016-11-08 21:35 
CS told me once that Ahmo said 'I think Herobrine uses radar'.

Yaa, was I rly that good or what? emo

Edited: 2016-11-08 21:36 by Jelly Jam
Krzysiek
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2016-11-08 20:52 
lol i just noticed that Hakum said I had used radar emo I bet u all ***s spied on me that time :s

now im sad emo

this one is masterpiece, there is some real conv, admins accused hakum, he is defending himself, and CJ's reaction is:
Vivando says (20:57)
brb ladder

<3

also
Hakum iB says (21:04)
and if u will block radar v2
i will make new radar
v3
this is easy
for good programmers
; )
and another cheats
Krytical
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2016-11-08 15:37 
Grytolle says (20:54)
Sometimes you play good
soemtimes you don't
Hakum iB says (20:54)
yes
true
Grytolle says (20:54)
sometimes you win, sometimes you lose like hell
Hakum iB says (20:54)
like you
; d
like all
life is brutal
and this is only lag,air game
Grytolle says (20:55)
nice philosophy
Vivando says (20:55)
idd!

emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo emo
i:m
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2016-11-08 04:40 
i still love wumpa's reaction below
KRSplat
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2012-06-15 05:34 
Just watched Videos and no ammo count from me. Regardless i think we Should Not validate anything he does to waste our playtime if he is clearly Not legit to make a fair Environment for Games and Observation indicates unsound behavior.
Galana
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2012-06-07 16:50 
so sad, hakum, so sad.
i:m
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2012-06-03 22:03 
hahah wumpa sup
wumpa
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2012-06-02 14:46 
wtf?
Zoro
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2012-06-01 14:43 
yo. wb Toni emo
Toni
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2012-06-01 14:03 
I came back to see news, after months, and BOOM.

Okay, bye.

Idiot.
Lithium
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2012-05-31 20:39 
All matches Hakum has played in this season:

Matches won: IB
http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2434
2012-05-27 IB vs CX (20:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2433
2012-05-27 IB vs t3 (6:2)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2409
2012-05-23 IB vs t3 (8:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2394
2012-05-20 IB vs RDS (9:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2384
2012-05-19 IB vs RDS (12:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2382
2012-05-18 IB vs RDS (8:7)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2368
2012-05-16 IB vs t3 (11:7)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2364
2012-05-16 IB vs t3 (7:5)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2360
2012-05-15 IB vs t3 (17:6)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2341
2012-05-12 IB vs CX (7:6)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2337
2012-05-11 IB vs t3 (10:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2334
2012-05-11 IB vs CX (10:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2331
2012-05-11 IB vs t3 (16:14)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2325
2012-05-09 IB vs t3 (4:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2324
2012-05-09 IB vs t3 (14:13)

Matches lost: IB
http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2435
2012-05-27 t3 vs IB (5:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2419
2012-05-24 t3 vs IB (8:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2401
2012-05-21 t3 vs IB (4:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2380
2012-05-18 t3 vs IB (10:7)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2373
2012-05-17 t3 vs IB (9:7)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2370
2012-05-16 t3 vs IB (6:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2358
2012-05-15 CX vs IB (4:0)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2333
2012-05-11 t3 vs IB (8:5)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2330
2012-05-10 t3 vs IB (3:1)

Matches tied: IB
http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2389
2012-05-19 IB vs RDS (11:11)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2386
2012-05-19 IB vs t3 (3:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2354
2012-05-13 IB vs CX (4:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2344
2012-05-12 IB vs t3 (7:7)

Matches won: BRFH
http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2319
2012-05-08 BRFH vs t3 (11:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2317
2012-05-07 BRFH vs IB (15:2)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2266
2012-05-01 BRFH vs t3 (8:6)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2265
2012-05-01 BRFH vs t3 (7:2)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2242
2012-04-30 BRFH vs RDS (7:5)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2234
2012-04-29 BRFH vs CX (10:7)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2237
2012-04-29 BRFH vs GpW (6:1)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2235
2012-04-29 BRFH vs GpW (9:5)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2231
2012-04-29 BRFH vs ES (12:2)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2229
2012-04-29 BRFH vs IB (12:6)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2219
2012-04-28 BRFH vs CX (7:4)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2214
2012-04-27 BRFH vs GpW (7:4)


Matches lost: BRFH
http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2321
2012-05-08 IB vs BRFH (10:7)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2263
2012-05-01 RDS vs BRFH (7:0)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2262
2012-05-01 t3 vs BRFH (3:13)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2312
2012-05-07 t3 vs BRFH (6:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2286
2012-05-03 t3 vs BRFH (18:5)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2221
2012-04-28 CX vs BRFH (13:8)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2217
2012-04-28 GpW vs BRFH (8:3)

http://www.jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2220
2012-04-28 CX vs BRFH (6:5)

Matches tied: BRFH
None

Total played: 48
Total won: 27 (54 points)
Total lost: 17
Total tied: 4 (4 points)
58 points gained in total

Won for IB: 15 (30 points)
Lost for IB: 9
Tied for IB: 4 (4 points)
34 points gained for IB

Won for BRFH: 12 (24 points)
Lost for BRFH: 8
Tied for BRFH: None
24 points gained for BRFH

Active from: 2012-04-27 to 2012-05-27
wKtK
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2012-05-31 09:40 
*magic*

Also, about the changing of IP's, be sure to report each of them to his ISP. It helps. (Unless we're talking about proxies/VPN's ofc)

Edited: 2012-05-31 09:43 by wKtK
Grytolle
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2012-05-31 00:32 
+ the time to rejoin the server

still a lot more than /ban
aimane
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2012-05-30 23:19 
gry I can change my ip in 5 sec
I guess I'm not the only one
[GpW]Urbs
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2012-05-30 23:08 
man, I can already see imma gonna get banned a lot in these next few weeksemo
Iustyn
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2012-05-30 22:43 
hahahaha,nice1 ms emo
MasterSven
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2012-05-30 22:41 
Fakers in JJ2 are noticed faster than a whale on a football pitch xD
Iustyn
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2012-05-30 22:37 
u realise he will prolly not be that stupid to come with his name,right?XD
Grytolle
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2012-05-30 22:30 
Just ban him when you see him play a game. After getting shut down like that a few times he'll get bored :p Typing /ban is less work than changing IPs
MasterSven
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2012-05-30 20:58 
Just ban him for a short while then and let him play matches, then remove the points from those matches after another while >D
Ragnarok
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2012-05-30 20:51 

Deleted: 2012-05-30 20:56 by Ragnarok
Anubis
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2012-05-30 20:45 
@ KRSplat:
That's no good solution. Recently I wanted to ban someone who kept changing his IP and spamming the servers, but I couldn't because there were several players within the same IP range (x.y.*.*).

Anyway I guess Hakum will get banned from the ladder for a long time. We, the Zeal Admins, haven't had a discussion about him yet, but since he can and most likely will change his IP (and he will do that for sure because he plays the game a lot), don't expect to see him banned for too long.
King
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2012-05-30 20:24 
This time he didnt have 30 seconds, he used gmr during the /cstart, and after the game started he didnt shoot any ammo yet he still picked up some seekers, therefore thisis strong proof. Also his way of defending is really suspicious (as its said in the paste bin)
Loon
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2012-05-30 17:43 
Lol, already stopped at 2:00, he shot way too many seekers without picking them.

Punishment(s)?

Since I guess his cheating never stops, noone should play versus him.

He got caught twice but still didn't learn it..

Edited: 2012-05-30 17:49 by Loon
Mac
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2012-05-30 13:14 
However, people also tend to use GMR after /nomovement on shortly before the start in order to begin the ladder with a full amount of ammo. Or what was the problem again? emo
Grytolle
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2012-05-30 13:02 
Ppl do indeed tend to shoot random ammo during pregames. emo
cooba
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2012-05-30 12:54 
Of course, after all everyone in JJ2 does exactly that. emo
Vegito
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2012-05-30 11:50 
There were around 30 seconds between /nomovement on and his last GMR usage then. He had 30 seconds to shoot whatever before the game started. It was just circumstantial evidence and nothing more. It may be difficult to agree with me but I guess you're smart enough to see the logic x).

Edited: 2012-05-30 11:58 by Vegito
Grytolle
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2012-05-30 11:24 
Yeah, but that time he didn't use GMR when /nomovement was on (that was my almost-proof vid btw)
cooba
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2012-05-30 11:20 
"Like for example he uses GMR before starting in bblair, and then gets two seeker ammo pickups without having shot a single bullet in the game yet."

Pretty sure this was pointed out a long time ago and then some smart guy said "that's not proof >: [".
wKtK
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2012-05-30 11:02 
@Gry: But it's fun... emo

Still, we (I) should try to prevent this in jj2.5...
Vegito
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2012-05-30 10:58 
Obvious cheat: he died, picked 2 bouncers (6 shots) up and shot like 30 without getting any new.

Edited: 2012-05-30 10:59 by Vegito
FawFuL
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2012-05-30 10:17 
bro, you are shooting way too many seekers and electro blaster..

Bah i should have known that this guy was just exactly like sliver. The argument "Everyone can use it so i should use it too" is getting old. Same goes for the argument that sliver once had: "I have mega lags so i should be allowed to use cheats to compensate it".

It's really sad that people like this have so much disbelief in the community that they start cheating themselfs, which obviously won't make them any better..

cheaters are just a bunch of paranoids

Edited: 2012-05-30 10:19 by FawFuL
MasterSven
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2012-05-30 10:13 
Maxiiii
snzspeed
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2012-05-30 08:58 
"poor snz has no teammates to pwn with"

dont worry urbs, its ok, because after I read this piece of news i'm pretty sure I never want to play this game again. JJ2 community has truly gone downhill so hard that it can't be properly described... emo
Iustyn
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2012-05-30 08:08 
first of all:I KNEW IT!i didnt stop a sec thinking that he is fair and finally FINALLY it has been proved!i knew he couldnt be that good without those ****y cheats.and also i saw the difference between the ladders he was playing and the results was gettin and the simple matches(when he was probabilly not using cheats) and it was clear he is doing sth suspicious.
about that bull**** with gpw...idk i mean i have to say i refused like most of the ladders in which hakum would have been playing in(exactly cuz of this) but except ib we didnt ladder cuz of inactivity.these *****ies are playing LoL and left me and pretty alone emo
1 more thing:i love u gry,sj and rag ofc <3.now brb watching hakum cheating in HD.

Edited: 2012-05-30 08:19 by Iustyn
Sean
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2012-05-30 03:23 
I want to punch Hakum so hard. And I'm nice. I'll probably just b!tch slap him. In the balls. Using sandpaper.

On to punishments, I guess. Remove all Hakum's won matches. A 6 month ban for Hakum should do it as well.

Edited: 2012-05-30 04:58 by Sean
Grytolle
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2012-05-30 00:36 
wktk, you have to stop falling for his trolls... emo
MaximuS
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2012-05-29 23:52 
Cheatin'.
wKtK
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2012-05-29 23:30 
I have both radar and coolhax. Never used them in any duel/match/whatever, just analysed them.

Still, feel free to IP ban me if you can't live without that fake placebo effect. Ever heard of a Proxy/VPN?

My point: we can't ban every cheater. Better make jj2 cheat proof. (And I'm not saying that's easy either...)

(Im not saying he shouldn't be banned once caught, ofc)

Edited: 2012-05-29 23:30 by wKtK
cooba
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2012-05-29 23:27 
(First announcement for the upcoming JDC 21: Hakum will be banned from it)
KRSplat
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2012-05-29 23:12 
I suggest banning all IP addresses in range of anyone who is known to have access to radar or cool hax
[GpW]Urbs
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2012-05-29 22:34 
oh and for the record, gpw doesn't play cuz Kenny plays LOL (we actually opened a division there and kinda pwnemo), I'm busy with PhD and Kryt has trainings.

Iustin is busy as well and poor snz has no team mates to pwn withemo

Point being, although iust might say BS about us not plaiying cuz of cheaters, its uttter nonsense.

Besides, gimme snz, gry, grytmastern, kenny, reni<3, kryt, veg, hordy, rag, jjb, or cj as team mates and you can have radarv4 and you'll still suck balls son. emo emo

Damn, to think Gry was actually nice to this tard...
But don't listen to me, I'm kinda pissed off atm.

Edited: 2012-05-29 22:37 by [GpW]Urbs
Anubis
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2012-05-29 22:33 
If he really did cheat (haven't watched the video yet):
Deduct all points from matches played with him (not only in IB but also in previous clans he has been in), and add a harsh penalty to that too. And ban him for like a veery long period of time, because if he really did cheat now, he's probably been doing it for ages. Consider his arrogant behaviour both after getting caught now, and in general in JJ2 + remember how much effort he always put in convincing certain people that he's an honest player.

Edit: I haven't got time to analyze the video thoroughly right now, but there are many suspicious things. Like for example he uses GMR before starting in bblair, and then gets two seeker ammo pickups without having shot a single bullet in the game yet.

Edited: 2012-05-29 22:47 by Anubis
Lithium
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2012-05-29 22:30 
my is very popular
verry verry Xd,,
cooba
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2012-05-29 22:28 
Hakum iB says (20:57)
ofc
;p
always me < 3
i like to be popular
;p
and im! ; o
[GpW]Urbs
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2012-05-29 22:24 
NVM, just deduct hakums points I guess.


Edited: 2012-05-29 22:26 by [GpW]Urbs
Grytolle
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2012-05-29 21:42 
Well, no matches will be removed, but we will definitely deduct atleast the amount of points that Hakum has won for it
Lithium
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2012-05-29 21:38 
I agree with MS, though the punishment for IB shouldn't be more than 30 points IMO.
MasterSven
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2012-05-29 21:32 
Well I remember the punishments CDF got for sth way less severe. I'd say just like for us, all suspicious matches which ib won should be removed. (All matches that include hakum)
Then... we got a penalty of 10 points. I'd say ib gets at least 50, which should take them a week to recover from.
Then ofcource I think Hakum should get a ban at least till there are some good anti-cheating measurements. If you are feeling sorry for him it should be AT LEAST 1 year.

Grytolle says (21:02)
only iB will cheat anyway

So lets make sure they can't win and let justice prevail this season.
i:m
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2012-05-29 21:21 
nooooooooo i rly got pwned right
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