Add me, delete the stats and see i'll get the most. just kiddin'. come on guys friendship for a game... okay i'm the worst player and idc. and you guys are discussing to be 1st. this is no longer Zeal Relaxer, neither it's fun. Without flags every 1 wents crazy to win and kill after 1 death(exp. Me, SE, Ktos[Krulik], dofus...) i mean every1 noobs, too. who can write(maybe newbies) is !k him/her/it self . Please, stop, be good to the others, respect them, don't bully AND STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT ME AND MY CLAN. It hurts me, notice that*
haha we'r all so funny ^^. We make a big disscusion about worthless crap. Then we realize its worthless crap and we laugh at each other and tell we should go out. So it has been for every li'l argue. x)
Toni, I'm not saying it's not, but again, it's only about that time spend per level. And still, my results aren't worse than SE's in many of the ZR levels but I wasn't training on those levels that much. That means something, doesn't it?
(ok really, I though that it's obvious I was trolling since I said "trololololo"
@Ktos, I don't think there's a difference between spent time on a level, and training on a level. You have to spend time on a level if you wanna be good at it, and that means you're training on it . It's kinda the same.
@Urbs, you got the point, but, in this game there's 2 factors deciding who is good. 1st is spent time on a level, and 2nd is talent. To be honest, talent doesn't win all the time. Kenny is indeed a talented player, but he wasn't good like he is now (or like he was 6months ago) when he started playing this game. He had to spend some time in this game. He combined both factors great, and he is what he is now.
I wanna say that you can be talented, but if you don't train (spend time on something), you're just a bag of crap. SE is maybe talented, but even if he is not, he trained a lot and he is good now. I approve that!
I honestly think the entire argument about who's being a no-lifer is quite ridiculous. The fact that virtually <b>all</b> of us have dedicated so much time to JJ2 when we could doing something more useful is a testimony to how much time we "waste" as a whole. Do I care? No. Does anyone else care? Nope. How about we just treasure our nerdiness?
Urbs, I stoped reading when you said that this is about result.
WAIT, I CAN'T SEE AN ANNOTATION THAT ITS ONLY ABOUT RESULTS. AM I BLIND? It might even be about "who is looking better and spamming less with "!k" command while playing test". Or wait, its voters free choice, isn't it?
... And even his results aren't that much better than mine since I've got few tests in which I'm better for around 10 seconds or even 40 seconds.
Also, it is SE who plays less time than me and gets approximately the same results as me. But to be honest, when I started playing jj2 I didn't even focused on hard tests, because there weren't any, or almost nobody hosted it because "omg its hard i cant pass it". SE were a lot more lucky with that. But that doesn't matter I think.
ya but don't you see, this poll isn't about how good you are in a given level for a given amount of training.
This poll is about the results only. How much you spend playing JJ2 is irrelevant in this poll. It's only the end result that matters.
Now if the poll were to be asking of the most time efficient test player, maybe SE wouldn't be considered to be the best.
Consider the implications of what you are saying. You're basically degrading human effort to achieve excellence. If you wan't to be good at something, it is said you have to spend at least 10000 hours of your time doing it (for example music). So when you see young prodigy's (like Mozart, or Justin Bieber today), they're good partially because of their talents (a necessary precondition), but what makes them young prodigies is not their talents, but their hard work.
Nobody ever called Mozart a no-lifer (as people who suck at this game often complain about people who are good at it), he was a genius. But he only ever achieved that status by "overdoing" it.
So don't gimme none of that typical Slavic lazy ass BS:" I got a life. I like to hang out with my friends and drink beer, I have a life." Fine, have your life, but don't expect to ever be good at anything in life.
While you keep telling yourself that you have a life, SE gonna keep training and he's gonna rape your asses.
It might well be that ktos is more talented, and needs less time to achieve the same perfection that SE does. But that's a hyptothesis that is very hard to test (indeed, I'm not sure it can be properly tested). So what we instead talk about is a more general description of the situation: who is the best?
And when we say that, we don't take into consideration how much somebody has practiced, how much somebody's rank depends on their natural talents, their keyboard, or the amount of time spent playing JJ2. We don't care about that. We care who has the best results at the end of the day (without cheating). That's what this poll is about. If you feel it is inadequate, you are right. it is not explicit enough. But it doesn't need to state all the variables it neglects or bundles up together. It's a friggin JJ2 internet poll, it doesn't have to be precise.
But let's not all just happily bash on SE if he actually plays more than other people. It's his right, and if he has invested more time, he should be able to reap the benefits. If you think his time is not well spent, that is your right, but no need to agressively bash on somebody else, just because he/her prefer to spend their time differently than you do.
And lastly, no excellence is achieved without working hard, so how about we aknowledge hard work for what it really is: the pinnacle of humanity.
Veg, provided we're talking about the same test, I misjudged your skills, probably due to your unresponsive double jump whenever I see you playing a test. I apologize. Also, while I may not look like it, in fact I consider the difference in skills between passing a test in 5 minutes and in 2 hours really tiny, especially in comparison to the difference between passing and not passing it.
Gry, fine for me, but I doubt anyone would agree on the condition of "each player chooses one test", as there are some levels no one but me has beaten.
How about a showdown? You each choose one test and then you race eachother (=you have time to practice a bit to make it a bit easier for the less active of you). The one with the total time difference wins. I'll broadcast! We haven't had a JJnet spectacle in a while.
I am on SE's side. He is the best. He just plays a lot and taht's why he is the best. As I said b4, I coudl be better than him if I train more. But I have no time for that. He maybe just wanted to point out that he is good and why to hide that?
SE: I did beat Artem's test. It just took me an hour or 2 just like Yaxtest first time. I could probably beat most tests if I really wanted to. Anyway, Ktos might be right. Because I spent lets say like 50 hours playing tests last year against your 1000 hours of playing tests if not more (just an example) it means you're way more trained than I am. Yet I can still pass 95% of the tests I play just like you, heh. And really, I played tests actively 2 years ago and not now anymore.
I mean you may be around for a year, but you may have played more tests than I did in 10 years time (yes, seriously). Add to that I played tests actively for a while 2 years ago and 5 years ago only and you get this.
My general speed at playing tests and precision have decreased yet I can still make the jumps which you can make too. However, it may take me more tries than it takes you which obviously has to do with me being way more rusty than you. I also don't WANT to play tests 24/7 anymore so it also has to do with lack of motivation.
As a summary, despite my inactivity playing tests and rustiness I still do fine. IF I'd have the same activity as you/ktos had, you may see me far higher in the top 3s as well. But w/e, I didn't expect my name here at all so my answer is kinda late xd
(And yeah, saying "I am the best" is generally a way to provoke players to attack your opinion..) And yes, I do think SE is definitely the best followed by Ktos as I said earlier. I can still see Ktos' logic though, it does make sense. It all comes down to activity more or less anyway.
i am the best test player i started to play tests few weeks ago and i play only 1 hour in few days and i alrdy finished almost 10 tests i just pwn u and if i am serious i would vote for SE i think,he is imo faster than ktos.at least i think so
wow guys, you're shocked now because i was serious ? good to hear or rather to see. i'm always like this but usually i'm not allowed to say a word. i just got my first chance and as i can see it worked let's go back to the main topic then. i didn't want to offend you SE, but sometimes it looks like that you're narcissus. you suggested that people have their own opinions, right? so that was my opinion about it all and you can't do anything to change it. + i definitely agree with Kenny that you kinda provoked us to *attack* you
Ok, but now seriously since SE has taken my post too seriously. SE, you are playing better at me at most of the tests. And I can't deny it, thats possibile. But I also can play better than you at some tests. So is there someone who is better than the other? I guess no. Our skills are almost the same, I mostly wanted to see how much SE will argue about my opinion, I just didn't liked the way you talked about your own skills so I wanted to annoy you a bit .
And about the tests again, now it's really mostly about "i join ZR and i see who is first by typing !whois 1 and then i see tha this player is better because he is first". Year ago something like that would be impossibile, and I wonder how the results would look like then. I actually remember that I was totally ignored by being two because my result was... 50ms worse than SE result! OMG KTOS YOU NUB YOU ARE NOT AS GOOD.
I just think that if I have spend a bit more time on beating tests then this vote could look a bit different. Even SE record at xlmyaxtest was possibile for me year ago when I really was playing that test a bit more than it is now.
Humans are so illogical. If I lied I'm "entirely convinced Ktos is the best active test player", you'd accept it as an opinion. You'd agree or disagree, but you wouldn't attack me. Instead, since I said what I truly believe basing on statistics and experience, and since my first post was taken way too seriously, now I'm a "lame" "narcissus".
And yes, I have many posts here, mainly because I'm the only person standing on my side. Except perhaps 20 anonymous. And well, I tried to defend, not provoke. However now I can certainly see I lost the discussion, even though no one proved or tried to prove me wrong. You don't really have anything to say against my opinion, you just dislike my approach.
I'm entirely convinced I'm the best active test player. Nice way to start debating.. Also, you have a lot of replies in this thread which IMO is quite lame, it would be understandable if you would only DEFEND you. But you kinda provoked..
I'm not narcissistic, I'm objective. Self-critique? Well, I will never be as good at some Lori tests as Treya and TW are. Ktos has 3 seconds better time records than me in some tests and a lot better one in Wind Meister 3. There are people who are better than me at RF usage. That's everything I can think of on topic of tests. How about *you* support your thesis I ignore my own flaws with some argument instead?
@SE, does it mean that you can judge someone's skills as i said on my previous comment and not giving a sh!t about yours? you aren't critical to yourself. you think you are the best test-player. if i were you, i would go out and enjoy some time with friends, it's what you need right now. just take a break and stop sayin' only good stuff about yourself or become a narcissus.
SE, before you said that what you did in ktostest was just luck. And what about xlmxlmtest? I'm just too lazy to pass it, but I'm sure I can because there weren't anything impossibile to do there. Maybe i just don't want to waste 2 hours of trying to make one walljump which, in my opinion, shouldn't even been included in tests mostly because of its randominess? And about that training thing, if you mean training in one level all the time then its understandable, but notice that there are few tests which I wasn't training that much as you did, and still you can't beat its records. Or maybe its just matter of time how much will you try?... oh wait, it also works with me. So lets say, this pool is more like "who is the bigger nolifer".
I bet I can beat anyone anywhere on any test. I just need one month of training, and that's all. But, since I have only half of my max CTF skills atm, it would be hard to get in shape that fast. Seeya this summer!
Considering that I'm around for a year, I sincerely doubt I played more yaxtest than you did. But fine, let's say so. What about ktostest then? Are you going to imply I played that more too? Besides, last time I checked, training was the main way to improve one's skills, so it doesn't make much sense to say our skills are the same because your times are worse but I trained more. If that's true, my cat has better skills than you, he just doesn't play yaxtest at all so his time would be worse.
And no, Veg wouldn't be able to pass some tests. Similarly, there are tests I can beat and you cannot. Mentioning xlmxlmtest would be probably out of place but what about Artem's 9-levels test?
herp derp someone didn't voted for me hurr i should fix the voting durr.
And about lower level of skills, I'm really not a guy who wants to play tests all the time, sometimes I'm still playing nice even after not playing test for about a month. Really, after getting that many skills as we have now the thing that matters in beating test faster than the other is who has spent more time playing one test. For example, I have played yaxtest only once since it was removed and added again to ZR, you played it a lot more.
For that reason I think that Vegito has got the same level of skills as me and SE do, since he can pass anything but he can't do it fast because he is not wasting time playing test that much as we does.
I'm entirely convinced I'm the best active test player. Ktos is on a very similar but imo lower level of skills. Then there's a huge gap, and then there come players like Vegito, Dofus, Con'troll, Berkan, Shaker, Artem, PJ, unearth, Dodges, Zombi.
When it comes to inactive ones I can't say much. I don't know most of them and I suppose tests have really changed over time so it'd be hard to judge. The only inactive player I met and I'm sure could compete with me is Sykio. His timing and pixel precision were insane. Once I explained to him how to wall jump he was able to do it 10 times in a row. Sadly, he disappeared about half a year ago.
NY, SJ, Bobby, however NY/Bobby didn't play in a long time so heh. SJ and myself haven't been too active playing tests anymore so the "new" best ones are probably SE, Ktos (and maybe Dofus) indeed. Still, players like Andrzej, PJ and *others* can be very fast at beating tests too nowadays.
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