Hi all, we played a Ladder against aEs. I played with a new Nickname. For joke i told i'm new. Now i wanna sumbit the match and they tell: "We didn't play a Ladder Match". He tells i will get a ban because i faked someone (My new nick Êxpirit-Ês-<- Berkan-Ês-) It has no player called EXPIRIT so i didn't fake someone help.
Hi all, we played a Ladder against aEs. I played with a new Nickname. For joke i told i'm new. Now i wanna sumbit the match and they tell: "We didn't play a Ladder Match". He tells i will get a ban because i faked someone (My new nick Êxpirit-Ês-<- Berkan-Ês-) It has no player called EXPIRIT so i didn't fake someone help.
Hey guys i didn't cheat. Well, i had a 'lucker' sprée in disto. where i was able to get the seeks in a row. it could be, that they just dont wanna loose against us. anyway, gg. i can't get it. why should i cheat.? i dont have a reason to cheat. gl at solving this problem
Hey guys i didn't cheat. Well, i had a 'lucker' sprée in disto. where i was able to get the seeks in a row. it could be, that they just dont wanna loose against us. anyway, gg. i can't get it. why should i cheat.? i dont have a reason to cheat. gl at solving this problem
I bet you did. Did you never leave a TNT next to the seek PU in bblair or ww, then died and got seekers thanks to the explosion? I mean the exact same thing, except with a long-range weapon, like seekers, instead of TNT. Sure, it might sound improbable, but apparently it's possible and, theoretically, could happen during that ladder.
[quote]Fun, didn't know[/quote]
I bet you did. Did you never leave a TNT next to the seek PU in bblair or ww, then died and got seekers thanks to the explosion? I mean the exact same thing, except with a long-range weapon, like seekers, instead of TNT. Sure, it might sound improbable, but apparently it's possible and, theoretically, could happen during that ladder.
First of all: you're not good enough to beat Ashurna and Lagmeister-Berkan without trouble, so the stats don't indicate anything.
Second of all: unless there's a confession by Berkan in that chatlog somewhere, it's useless.
Just accept the game and give Berkan the benefit of the doubt
First of all: you're not good enough to beat Ashurna and Lagmeister-Berkan without trouble, so the stats don't indicate anything.
Second of all: unless there's a confession by Berkan in that chatlog somewhere, it's useless.
Just accept the game and give Berkan the benefit of the doubt
'there are few people who can be a referee, these are: andrzej, dan zeal, djazzy, fawful, grytolle, me, nerd, sasik, sj and warrior. just ask one of them about refereeing when you feel like needed it. just play this ladder again and problem solved (1 point w te czy we w te).
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I wanna see some evidence
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That you have no idea who is a good referee, nor do you have any proof to back it up.
I am with moti here, what are you talking about lol? All she said was "play the ladder again, there's no evidence and ask *name* to be a ref if you want one."
What evidence is needed? Why doesn't she know who a good referee is, she stated ALL of them? And wtf does she need to back up stating a possible solution O.o.
Anyway, it doesn't have to be with TNT, you can already make it with a shot seeker at the seeker power up.. Well, while there's no evidence really it's difficult to act so I agree with just playing the ladder again. Or, vidding helps but catching a cheater on vid is quite difficult too.
[quote]'there are few people who can be a referee, these are: andrzej, dan zeal, djazzy, fawful, grytolle, me, nerd, sasik, sj and warrior. just ask one of them about refereeing when you feel like needed it. just play this ladder again and problem solved (1 point w te czy we w te).
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I wanna see some evidence[/quote]
[quote]That you have no idea who is a good referee, nor do you have any proof to back it up. [/quote]
I am with moti here, what are you talking about lol? All she said was "play the ladder again, there's no evidence and ask *name* to be a ref if you want one."
What evidence is needed? Why doesn't she know who a good referee is, she stated ALL of them? And wtf does she need to back up stating a possible solution O.o.
Anyway, it doesn't have to be with TNT, you can already make it with a shot seeker at the seeker power up.. Well, while there's no evidence really it's difficult to act so I agree with just playing the ladder again. Or, vidding helps but catching a cheater on vid is quite difficult too.
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Risking you lose your reputation, getting banned from the ladder if you do get caught etc etc.. Sure, if you wish to take the risk . Players should notice cheating, will suspect you at some point which is when things get tricky. Why did it take so long for RA to get banned?
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'there are few people who can be a referee, these are'
'she stated ALL of them?'
Your point? Be more clear if you wish to state something, rofl.
Risking you lose your reputation, getting banned from the ladder if you do get caught etc etc.. Sure, if you wish to take the risk :). Players should notice cheating, will suspect you at some point which is when things get tricky. Why did it take so long for RA to get banned?
[quote]'there are few people who can be a referee, these are'
'she stated ALL of them?'
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Your point? Be more clear if you wish to state something, rofl.
No one would detect the cheating clan if everything ends like this.
Also let's stop the referee discussion, the ladder has already been verified and we don't need flamewars.
We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
We ran to the sounds of the thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
and tore the world asunder.
No one would detect the cheating clan if everything ends like this.
Also let's stop the referee discussion, the ladder has already been verified and we don't need flamewars.
Until someone makes a clear vid where you do get caught cheating. You may force spectators to be there/to make a vid if you suspect a clan of cheating, heh. Detecting some cheats can be extremely difficult and I had already suggested creating a program that detects all cheats. It's considered spyware though so not everyone may like playing with "spyware" on the computer . (And no, I don't mind.)
Until someone makes a clear vid where you do get caught cheating. You may force spectators to be there/to make a vid if you suspect a clan of cheating, heh. Detecting some cheats can be extremely difficult and I had already suggested creating a program that detects all cheats. It's considered spyware though so not everyone may like playing with "spyware" on the computer :). (And no, I don't mind.)
i like how people talk shit without knowing anything.
this is a screen from jjnet admin panel:
i hope everything is clear for you now, mr. mastersven.
i like how people talk shit without knowing anything.
this is a screen from jjnet admin panel:
[img]http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/479/llolo.png[/img]
i hope everything is clear for you now, mr. mastersven.
moti, non-admins can't see that information anywhere I think. so I would have just agreed with mastersven and assumed anyone could be referee it's cool that you have got access to more information as an admin, but don't be rude telling people they are talking shit
I searched for the word "referee" in the rules and only found this:
"JJ.net admins or temporarily appointed referees are however allowed to spectate a game, provided they can think of a good reason: e.g. cheating suspicion."
moti, non-admins can't see that information anywhere I think. so I would have just agreed with mastersven and assumed anyone could be referee :) it's cool that you have got access to more information as an admin, but don't be rude telling people they are talking shit ;)
I searched for the word "referee" in the rules and only found this:
"JJ.net admins or temporarily appointed referees are however allowed to spectate a game, provided they can think of a good reason: e.g. cheating suspicion."
Clientside programs that monitor the users jj2 will not be effective. You'll need to force everyone to use it, or else the only people who'll use it are the 'fair' ones, who don't cheat.
And even IF you force the usage of it, people will hack the program, or create a program that sends false negatives so it looks like the software is running on that persons pc, but in fact it's a 'fake' program that keeps telling "he doesn't cheat" .
And even some users who do not cheat will refuse to use something like that, mark my words
Really, the only way to solve this with a program is to:
A) Build it into JJ2+ (fat chance, lack of updates )
B) Make it a serverside program. (servrs can choose if/when they'll use it, but maybe will not detect ALL clientside cheats...)
Clientside programs that monitor the users jj2 will not be effective. You'll need to force everyone to use it, or else the only people who'll use it are the 'fair' ones, who don't cheat.
And even IF you force the usage of it, people will hack the program, or create a program that sends false negatives so it looks like the software is running on that persons pc, but in fact it's a 'fake' program that keeps telling "he doesn't cheat" .
And even some users who do not cheat will refuse to use something like that, mark my words ;)
Really, the only way to solve this with a program is to:
A) Build it into JJ2+ (fat chance, lack of updates :( )
B) Make it a serverside program. (servrs can choose if/when they'll use it, but maybe will not detect ALL clientside cheats...)
well, gl to whoever tries this ;-)
Clientside programs that monitor the users jj2 will not be effective. You'll need to force everyone to use it, or else the only people who'll use it are the 'fair' ones, who don't cheat.
And even IF you force the usage of it, people will hack the program, or create a program that sends false negatives so it looks like the software is running on that persons pc, but in fact it's a 'fake' program that keeps telling "he doesn't cheat" .
And even some users who do not cheat will refuse to use something like that, mark my words
Really, the only way to solve this with a program is to:
A) Build it into JJ2+ (fat chance, lack of updates )
B) Make it a serverside program. (servrs can choose if/when they'll use it, but maybe will not detect ALL clientside cheats...)
well, gl to whoever tries this
Yes, JJ.net would have to force the use of such programs especially for clanwars. I was aware others could just hack the program and falsify the updates. It wouldn't take much I suppose.
[quote]Clientside programs that monitor the users jj2 will not be effective. You'll need to force everyone to use it, or else the only people who'll use it are the 'fair' ones, who don't cheat.
And even IF you force the usage of it, people will hack the program, or create a program that sends false negatives so it looks like the software is running on that persons pc, but in fact it's a 'fake' program that keeps telling "he doesn't cheat" .
And even some users who do not cheat will refuse to use something like that, mark my words ;)
Really, the only way to solve this with a program is to:
A) Build it into JJ2+ (fat chance, lack of updates :( )
B) Make it a serverside program. (servrs can choose if/when they'll use it, but maybe will not detect ALL clientside cheats...)
well, gl to whoever tries this ;-)[/quote]
Yes, JJ.net would have to force the use of such programs especially for clanwars. I was aware others could just hack the program and falsify the updates. It wouldn't take much I suppose.
Indeed, one who knows how to use Wireshark could do it in a day...
Considering that JJ2+ will probably not be updated for a while, the best bet is a serverside program (in my opinion)
its not about me showing 'my powah', i simply meant i didnt take stuff from the air, i try to not talk thingz when i dont have any clue about and sometimes it pisses me off when some gull comes and carps into every little shit, thats all. over and out
its not about me showing 'my powah', i simply meant i didnt take stuff from the air, i try to not talk thingz when i dont have any clue about and sometimes it pisses me off when some gull comes and carps into every little shit, thats all. over and out
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. Players should notice cheating, will suspect you at some point which is when things get tricky. Why did it take so long for RA to get banned?
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