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     JJ2 competetive scene: trustworthy? | [q] 2012-01-17 15:59
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Hi all,

I wish to give you guys some information that may alter the entire jj2 competetive scene.
First, no, and I mean no game which is played at the ladder is trustworthy anymore. Every game may have someone playing with radar and it isn't traceable.

Now players may be wondering why in the world I would state such thing. First of all, I got my hands on Radar v2 today. I know exactly what is possible now. The levellist this radar version works on: Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.

I can test it out with you guys if you want, I dont care. I can give all information by just checking radar basically. I even know everybodies health.

Ah, I also dont need teamchat anymore because I know when my flagcarrier is low and I know when to shout "S" because I can see enemy flagcarrier getting 1. All automatically.

Now I cannot tell how long this has been around already, I just know from a source he's been given a couple of untraceable Radar versions already.

I'll be able to show screenshots and I will be able to give evidence of everything I am stating. You can come visit me at my house and I'll show you everything (of radar *cough*) for that matter.

Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.

Enjoy.

Coders perhaps go here instead of reading this spam.
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#76 | [q]2012-01-17 17:25
I think this program was only just created, however everyone knows cheating has been occuring for a while at the moment.
Now that we finally have some proof I think its time to take action.
How about freezing the ladder (temporary) and start playing just for honor again.
This will hopefully also have a positive effect on many younger players who treat most people as if they are an AI character.
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#77 | [q]2012-01-17 17:26
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... Hmm, maybe let's just remove those levels from mappool? Strange idea but whatever, might be fun to see new levels in mappool(if someone has said that already, sorry but I was just too lazy to read it all).


he can place any level in the radar that he wants..
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#78 | [q]2012-01-17 17:27
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just for honor


Erm...Just for fun i suppose...

But by the way freezing ladders is a good way to think about future steps..
We can't let any cheat-accident fake ladder's result.


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#79 | [q]2012-01-17 17:28
@CrazyRabbit
yes that will fail too because we cannot check them
trust is good.. but wont give prove and then when someone wins it will be like YOU CHEATED..
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#80 | [q]2012-01-17 17:28
I agree with MS here, until this is solved newly submitted ladders will only cause fights and accusations.
freeze please (rhymes emo)


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...
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#81 | [q]2012-01-17 17:29
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Quote:
... Hmm, maybe let's just remove those levels from mappool? Strange idea but whatever, might be fun to see new levels in mappool(if someone has said that already, sorry but I was just too lazy to read it all).


he can place any level in the radar that he wants..


Erm, almost similar

Quote:
Then he could make a radar for new maps...


Well, I think im just a firefly here... Good luck in having no results...
My last word -
No matter good you are or evil you're sawing a tree.
Good saying No, sawing the tree in one direction
Evil saying Yes, sawing the tree in other direction

In that case - you'll never find a way out if you don't think very hard on this. I wish you good luck and hope this chaos will be over soon...


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#82 | [q]2012-01-17 17:30
@wKtK: I did not use anyone's code what you are talking about, I just used images for minimap that I got from j2o, thats all, the other code I did it was by myself
@CR: (da, teper ty ne zoro, a CR) Ja vibiraju "JUST BAN RUSSIA", nu kak tebe? ;D, jesli u kogo-nibud budet takaja ideja ja s nej SOGLASHUS' ^^ huj v rot
@SlaYer: I thought Hakum is gonna send it to every ib) member so I did it like that
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#83 | [q]2012-01-17 17:31
Ok really, I guess everyone will choose different maps than ones that are already "supported" by this prog. We may not play at all anyway. It seems the only solution is anti-cheat program.

... Or for now make most of the competitions at teambattle.
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#84 | [q]2012-01-17 17:32
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@CR: (da, teper ty ne zoro, a CR) Ja vibiraju "JUST BAN RUSSIA", nu kak tebe? ;D, jesli u kogo-nibud budet takaja ideja ja s nej SOGLASHUS' ^^ huj v rot
(So, you're not Zoro, but CR) I'm choosing "JUST BAN RUSSIA", what do ya think? ;D, if someone'll get this idea I will agree... ^^ liznie c**j or smth...


Better ban Penza city... emo


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#85 | [q]2012-01-17 17:35
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KRSplat: any idea what else to do then? emo

We cPuls *could XD try to implement some communistic digital Society to keep all of our machines on the Same Page. Hear, it's oversimifying to say that we will Tell all our Programms running, while our Goals quite possibly are Interdependenze and Safety in numbers in Order to construct a permanent Solution.

But Hmm, i just woke up so I will have to make Clearstream *clearer XD Post from actually my PC. Plus when it comes to These scenarios I might tend to Express Radikalismus '-' as contrasting Perspektive/Ideals from what's Already Been Said.
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#86 | [q]2012-01-17 17:41
Just a Brief appendum on suspending this Season, if we let the decision be of the Site owners, I am Not against that, and I shall speak for another to say he'd be Not against that; ...
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#87 | [q]2012-01-17 17:42
liznie chuj LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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#88 | [q]2012-01-17 17:44
wat

When I come back from school, I'll check it all. Now give me a summary please emo


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We ran to the sounds of the thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
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#89 | [q]2012-01-17 17:46
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Now give me a summary please


Cheat-radar shit just got serious. laddrs must be frozen.
thechnicians to jcf. Kill nubs.

Thats about it.


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#90 | [q]2012-01-17 17:47
BOOT KING IS AWaKEN AGAIN... RON, SAVE US!


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#91 | [q]2012-01-17 17:47
stopping ladder season until there is a program against it ok, but removing the maps?? if there is a program won't everything be ok then?
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#92 | [q]2012-01-17 17:49
Well, now I guess I can't make jokes about radar v2 which runs on cake anymore emo

So, what do we do now? Re-re-re-revolution? emo


We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
We ran to the sounds of the thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
and tore the world asunder.
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#93 | [q]2012-01-17 17:50
No need to revolution...We may lit up the chaos of anarchy.. Should be another way


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#94 | [q]2012-01-17 17:51
I can claim that my members have not, do not, and never will use any type of radar. I offer my help to the admins and people who will fight against this.


We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
We ran to the sounds of the thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
and tore the world asunder.
Zoro
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#95 | [q]2012-01-17 17:52
I swear - I will do not...


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#96 | [q]2012-01-17 17:54
emo
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#97 | [q]2012-01-17 17:55
Revolution has already started. I just spoke to GLaDOS on Skype, and he came up with a solution. He's gonna post it in the JCF thread.

Meanwhile I will have dinner. And cake.


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...
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#98 | [q]2012-01-17 17:56
Officially, there will not be any mappoll editing. Probably only a ladder frozing, nothing else. Remember, ANY map can be added in radar. There are 2 blocks moving, and a picture under them. That picture can be anything. Even a screenshoot of a new map. Anything will work.
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#99 | [q]2012-01-17 17:57
Yes Ron, delete all my posts, go on!
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#100 | [q]2012-01-17 17:58
I unfortunatelly can't say that I never used nor I will ever use radar, but I can swear I will never use it IN A BAD WAY. I must use it for screenshoots and for testing/spreading to technicians - for helping JJ2.
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