I wish to give you guys some information that may alter the entire jj2 competetive scene.
First, no, and I mean no game which is played at the ladder is trustworthy anymore. Every game may have someone playing with radar and it isn't traceable.
Now players may be wondering why in the world I would state such thing. First of all, I got my hands on Radar v2 today. I know exactly what is possible now. The levellist this radar version works on: Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.
I can test it out with you guys if you want, I dont care. I can give all information by just checking radar basically. I even know everybodies health.
Ah, I also dont need teamchat anymore because I know when my flagcarrier is low and I know when to shout "S" because I can see enemy flagcarrier getting 1. All automatically.
Now I cannot tell how long this has been around already, I just know from a source he's been given a couple of untraceable Radar versions already.
I'll be able to show screenshots and I will be able to give evidence of everything I am stating. You can come visit me at my house and I'll show you everything (of radar *cough*) for that matter.
Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.
Enjoy.
Coders perhaps go here instead of reading this spam.
Hi all,
I wish to give you guys some information that may alter the entire jj2 competetive scene.
First, no, and I mean no game which is played at the ladder is trustworthy anymore. Every game may have someone playing with radar and it isn't traceable.
Now players may be wondering why in the world I would state such thing. First of all, [b]I[/b] got my hands on Radar v2 today. I know exactly what is possible now. The levellist this radar version works on: Semi, JE, BBlair, BBswing, silwi, Gauntlet, Epitome, FF, WW, Distopia, super, TCS, DW and Zaitox.
I can test it out with you guys if you want, I dont care. I can give all information by just checking radar basically. I even know everybodies health.
Ah, I also dont need teamchat anymore because I know when my flagcarrier is low and I know when to shout "S" because I can see enemy flagcarrier getting 1. All automatically.
Now I cannot tell how long this has been around already, I just know from a source he's been given a couple of untraceable Radar versions already.
I'll be able to show screenshots and I will be able to give evidence of everything I am stating. You can come visit me at my house and I'll show you everything (of radar *cough*) for that matter.
Either way, laddering me is probably not gonna happen now anymore and I am aware of that. But I just wish players to know what is actually possible at jj2 and what you're dealing with. I also wish to get a discussion going and for someone to finally make whatever program that detects cheating - may if even be a program everybody has to use locally. That said, that'll probably be bypassable too so I might as well not play anything competetive at all anymore.
Enjoy.
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[quote]you should block all [color=red]RUSSIAN[/color] IP addresses and then I will be 100% banned[/quote]
This again shows your lack of knowledge about computing related things. ever heard of proxies?
So, It's simple, just block this IP range:
[code]*.*.*.*[/code]
and he'll be completly banned (but so will everyone else :P)
Vegito uses /Ban all; JJ2 was fajnie while it lasted; JJ3d patch was releases (gg ;p next Time Gal will Play ;p)
[quote]so who got banned this time?[/quote]
Vegito uses /Ban all; JJ2 was fajnie while it lasted; JJ3d patch was releases (gg ;p next Time Gal will Play ;p)
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Iustyn, the rule: §12 Any cheating or abusive behaviour during a match will result in a loss for the cheating team. The player found cheating is likely to be prevented from playing in a certain amount of upcoming games.
As Players, we know that we rely on each other's judgement to guarantee quality competition.
There's still Not Proof (or Claims) of tainted ladder Matches
Imo, some players (CDF?) should stop complaining about "cheating" and there being evidence.
yes - there are untraceable radar versions
no - there is no evidence anyone used radar and nobody will be banned
It makes no sense to call some people cheaters only because you lost some ladders vs those players. Ah, you lost a couple of ladders vs me too, am I a cheater as well?
I do agree Hakum was quite stupid for leaking information about him possibly having radar/using it. He provoked the jj2 players into suspecting him of cheating which he shouldn't have done. It'd have saved a lot of troubles I guess. Making himself suspicious isn't a crime though and is definitely no evidence for him actually cheating.
Same counts for DL who simply didn't play any ladder at all and probably doesn't have radar either. What she did was relatively simple. She heard of Hakum possibly cheating .. cause Hakum told her that himself. So DL figured she'd try and get Radar via him to get evidence of Hakum cheating. I happened to get Radar first so that set up of hers failed making herself suspicious only. I protect DL and Hakum cause neither of them have been caught cheating. Neither of them have done anything against the rules as far as we know and just losing a couple of ladders is no evidence at all.
[quote]Iustyn, the rule: §12 Any cheating or abusive behaviour during a match will result in a loss for the cheating team. The player found cheating is likely to be prevented from playing in a certain amount of upcoming games.
As Players, we know that we rely on each other's judgement to guarantee quality competition.
There's still Not Proof (or Claims) of tainted ladder Matches[/quote]
Imo, some players (CDF?) should stop complaining about "cheating" and there being evidence.
yes - there are untraceable radar versions
no - there is no evidence anyone used radar and nobody will be banned
It makes no sense to call some people cheaters only because you lost some ladders vs those players. Ah, you lost a couple of ladders vs me too, am I a cheater as well?
I do agree Hakum was quite stupid for leaking information about him possibly having radar/using it. He provoked the jj2 players into suspecting him of cheating which he shouldn't have done. It'd have saved a lot of troubles I guess. Making himself suspicious isn't a crime though and is definitely no evidence for him actually cheating.
Same counts for DL who simply didn't play any ladder at all and probably doesn't have radar either. What she did was relatively simple. She heard of Hakum possibly cheating .. cause Hakum told her that himself. So DL figured she'd try and get Radar via him to get evidence of Hakum cheating. I happened to get Radar first so that set up of hers failed making herself suspicious only. I protect DL and Hakum cause neither of them have been caught cheating. Neither of them have done anything against the rules as far as we know and just losing a couple of ladders is no evidence at all.
Proxies are easily detectable -- just look at the player's ping D:
Yes, but then we still don't know who's behind it. Even if you can flawlessly guess who is using a proxy, you are still unable to determine who it really is, or even what country he is from.
Therefore my original point still stands: Banning all Russian IP's won't keep russians from joining.
You can ofcourse make an attempt at refusing all proxies (GL in VB...), but even if Zeal and the jj.net staff agreed on that people who used proxies because they need to would rage.
[quote]Proxies are easily detectable -- just look at the player's ping D: [/quote]
Yes, but then we still don't know who's behind it. Even if you can flawlessly guess who is using a proxy, you are still unable to determine who it really is, or even what country he is from.
Therefore my original point still stands: Banning all Russian IP's won't keep russians from joining.
You can ofcourse make an attempt at refusing all proxies (GL in VB...), but even if Zeal and the jj.net staff agreed on that people who used proxies because they need to would rage.
King:
Just play the ladder casual (without radar or any bs).Idea that we should play ladders with radar is ridiculous. The idea of frozing the ladder also is what i dissagree with. If ur scared that ur opponet is gonna cheat and u dont want to ladder then simply DONT ladder. Perhaps someone else is gonna have more faith in others.
Well, anyway, if some 'better' players get pwned by some 'weaker' there will be accusing. So you're kinda wrong. But you have the point. If you decide to ladder someone, then don't accuse him of cheating WITHOUT THE PROOF!
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Jake:
Artem produced radar2, now without the spyware part.
It HAS spyware in it. It is a SEMI-SPYWARE. And that's why I deleted it after testing and taking screenshoots.
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Vegito:
Imo, some players (CDF?) should stop complaining about "cheating" and there being evidence.
There was always accusing of cheating, so Veg, I don't think it will ever change. CDF accused ib) only once during the ladder, and that's all. But some of other players are accusing everyone else all the time. That's the problem, not CDF. Guys, leave CDF alone, please. I am enough of insulting them (Ron, GLaDOS etc.). Yeah, this is out of topic, but srsly.
[quote]King:
Just play the ladder casual (without radar or any bs).Idea that we should play ladders with radar is ridiculous. The idea of frozing the ladder also is what i dissagree with. If ur scared that ur opponet is gonna cheat and u dont want to ladder then simply DONT ladder. Perhaps someone else is gonna have more faith in others.[/quote]
Well, anyway, if some 'better' players get pwned by some 'weaker' there will be accusing. So you're kinda wrong. But you have the point. If you decide to ladder someone, then don't accuse him of cheating WITHOUT THE PROOF!
[quote]Jake:
Artem produced radar2, now without the spyware part. [/quote]
It [size=18]HAS[/size] spyware in it. It is a [size=18]SEMI-SPYWARE[/size]. And that's why I deleted it after testing and taking screenshoots.
[quote]Vegito:
Imo, some players (CDF?) should stop complaining about "cheating" and there being evidence.[/quote]
There was always accusing of cheating, so Veg, I don't think it will ever change. CDF accused ib) only once during the ladder, and that's all. But some of other players are accusing everyone else all the time. That's the problem, not CDF. Guys, leave CDF alone, please. I am enough of insulting them (Ron, GLaDOS etc.). Yeah, this is out of topic, but srsly.
When have Lithium and I last 'insulted' CDF? Isn't it you attacking us now with an unproven claim?
[quote]I am enough of insulting them (Ron, GLaDOS etc.).[/quote]
When have Lithium and I last 'insulted' CDF? Isn't it you attacking us now with an unproven claim?
OK, ENOUGH OF TALKING ABOUT CDF AND WARS HERE. My bad for starting that.
Well, how's the radar matches going on? I heard some guys wanted to all test radar in a massive game and it finished 0-0 after 30mins.
OK, ENOUGH OF TALKING ABOUT CDF AND WARS HERE. My bad for starting that.
Well, how's the radar matches going on? :P I heard some guys wanted to all test radar in a massive game and it finished 0-0 after 30mins.
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Yes you can ask, but ask Artem. He told that it is a semi spyware. Anything that can harm my comp doesn't deserve to be in my comp.
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Artem Naumov kaže (7:12 PM)
spies your whole pc and network
Toni . kaže (7:13 PM)
and you get info by that ?
Artem Naumov kaže (7:13 PM)
not really
Toni . kaže (7:13 PM)
why did you put a spyware in it then ?
Artem Naumov kaže (7:14 PM)
I did not, thats the clue, and a secret, which will probably make cheaters delete radar from their computers
Yes you can ask, but ask Artem. He told that it is a semi spyware. Anything that can harm my comp doesn't deserve to be in my comp.
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Artem Naumov kaže (7:12 PM)
spies your whole pc and network
Toni . kaže (7:13 PM)
and you get info by that ?
Artem Naumov kaže (7:13 PM)
not really
Toni . kaže (7:13 PM)
why did you put a spyware in it then ?
Artem Naumov kaže (7:14 PM)
I did not, thats the clue, and a secret, which will probably make cheaters delete radar from their computers
I agree but Veg shouldn't have mentioned CDF in the first place.
And radar matches? Will radar become JJ2's next patch?
I could because:
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stfu about CDF plz,
and I know the difference between skills and sth else.
(And I am not even gonna quote whatever else you guys said about Hakum, DL and whatever)
And you may know but you can't continue to claim Hakum is cheating and you can't ever be sure of it without evidence.
"omfg Im sure of it!!! but I can't proof it!!!"
MS, Andrzej and even you Laro continue to say Hakum is a cheater without any proof. So why should I not name CDF? You're the ones who heavily try to kill Hakum by saying he's cheating without any evidence in the first place.
[quote]I agree but Veg shouldn't have mentioned CDF in the first place.
And radar matches? Will radar become JJ2's next patch? :rofl:[/quote]
I could because:
[quote]stfu about CDF plz,
and I know the difference between skills and sth else.[/quote]
(And I am not even gonna quote whatever else you guys said about Hakum, DL and whatever)
And you may know but you can't continue to claim Hakum is cheating and you can't ever be sure of it without evidence.
"omfg Im sure of it!!! but I can't proof it!!!"
MS, Andrzej and even you Laro continue to say Hakum is a cheater without any proof. So why should I not name CDF? You're the ones who heavily try to kill Hakum by saying he's cheating without any evidence in the first place.
Eh I didnt mention hakum and cheating together.
Also SR was the one who kicked him out of ib for cheating.
Btw half the community says he cheats.
And we have better things to do than accuse hakum...
Eh I didnt mention hakum and cheating together.
Also SR was the one who kicked him out of ib for cheating.
Btw half the community says he cheats.
And we have better things to do than accuse hakum...
For possible cheating, yes. There is no evidence for it. And you haven't? You have continously stated Hakum (or in fact iB in general) must have used cheats. Even now talking about the radar you lost 10-0 in Semi and won 8-2 in MS. That it couldn't have been a legit match aka there must've been cheating included on their side. That's definitely accusing someone of cheating now is it.
For possible cheating, yes. There is no evidence for it. And you haven't? You have continously stated Hakum (or in fact iB in general) must have used cheats. Even now talking about the radar you lost 10-0 in Semi and won 8-2 in MS. That it couldn't have been a legit match aka there must've been cheating included on their side. That's definitely accusing someone of cheating now is it.
If you couldnt pwn everyone even while they are cheating you would probably notice it yourself.
Im not calling any names though, I just want fair matches.
If you couldnt pwn everyone even while they are cheating you would probably notice it yourself.
Im not calling any names though, I just want fair matches.
Same obviously . So I wish there will be a solution to these problems. I just don't think we should call each other cheaters for whatever reason while we're trying to find a solution instead of finding problems or blaming others
Same obviously :). So I wish there will be a solution to these problems. I just don't think we should call each other cheaters for whatever reason while we're trying to find a solution instead of finding problems or blaming others ;-)
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Proxies are easily detectable -- just look at the player's ping D:
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. So I wish there will be a solution to these problems. I just don't think we should call each other cheaters for whatever reason while we're trying to find a solution instead of finding problems or blaming others 