This post is directed to anyone and everyone who is interested, but mostly towards cooba.
I would not write this post in public if it would be possible, however cooba has rejected nearly all kinds of contact with me for the past 2 years. I have at several occasions been willing to talk to cooba, with or without a third party, but so far to no avail. There seems to be no way of having a chat about what has happened the last years. Instead it seems to be childish insults every time again.
For the past years cooba has found many opportunities to flame or provoke me in JJ2 servers or via posts. The last personal attack being the first post in this thread. Some attacks were worse than others but all of them combined left me wondering why nobody has said anything about this.
I will use his own words, making them clear with citation marks. I believe what he's doing "requires some real ill will and wrongly rooted determination" flaming and provoking me continously. His writing to me and whoever would be involved which includes Sperry is horrible. According to what he said, this is how he talks (to her/to me):
"I repremand you the same way as all of my subordinates(lower beings) from the brothel (whore house)"
So in easy English it meant he talks to me/sperry like we're lower beings from the whore house. Sperry doesn't have anything to do with our history so I am not sure what such a heavy personal attack would be needed for. Never mind the general hate towards her from cooba as well.
Once I joined a server and the first thing cooba said was that "I don't say hi, rotten bastard" and at some point that "I get horny whenever I roast him." Besides all those senseless accusations and attacks I believe such messages are out of place anywhere. (reading logs? didn't you start hating me when the CC teamspeak closed instead? That cause people started using it as their own private teamspeak? Never mind that I had nothing to do with the decision to close teamspeak?)
cooba's determination in keeping contact only when he wants to flame me doesn't stop by just muting and flaming/provoking when there's a chance. There's also the questionable fact of "randomly demoting me as an official" a year ago. That, after months, was resolved too by reinstating me as an official. Quite a few of the other active admins and officials at that time questioned cooba's way of demoting me. What do you mean, no personal agenda and capable leadership? cooba gave no proper explanation before, during and after my demotion as to why I should be demoted - it just happened. And again, he wouldn't even want to talk to me during that time even though FS tried to set up a chat between us 3 multiple times. Interesting enough cooba seemingly hates FS too (hasn't cooba called FS and me the 2 biggest idiots in the world/jj2 or something similar once?)
If anything, I suggest cooba to contact me in a normal way so we can talk and just continue with whatever. Ignoring each other, working together only when needed and not flaming each other whenever. If this happens I will just delete this message as if nothing happened and we'll continue playing jj2 (for fun, instead of flaming?). If this doesn't happen and cooba continues to flame me but ignoring any requests to talk normally (not like he will get any anymore), I believe "his credibility in this matter is compromised" like he once told me. I don't want him to post anything to/about me then anymore and I suggest any post about me to be deleted. I've been allowing him to PA me and requested to talk to him for quite some time but now I hope to resolve this publicly.
My intentions are clear, now I hope something actually happens one way or another. I didn't use many personal attacks cause that'd make this post too offensive. I hope something actually happens now, one way or another. I have intentionally not used any of my so hated sarcastic sentences.
Cheers
This post is directed to anyone and everyone who is interested, but mostly towards cooba.
I would not write this post in public if it would be possible, however cooba has rejected nearly all kinds of contact with me for the past 2 years. I have at several occasions been willing to talk to cooba, with or without a third party, but so far to no avail. There seems to be no way of having a chat about what has happened the last years. Instead it seems to be childish insults every time again.
For the past years cooba has found many opportunities to flame or provoke me in JJ2 servers or via posts. The last personal attack being the first post in this thread. Some attacks were worse than others but all of them combined left me wondering why nobody has said anything about this.
I will use his own words, making them clear with citation marks. I believe what he's doing "requires some real ill will and wrongly rooted determination" flaming and provoking me continously. His writing to me and whoever would be involved which includes Sperry is horrible. According to what he said, this is how he talks (to her/to me):
"I repremand you the same way as all of my subordinates(lower beings) from the brothel (whore house)"
So in easy English it meant he talks to me/sperry like we're lower beings from the whore house. Sperry doesn't have anything to do with our history so I am not sure what such a heavy personal attack would be needed for. Never mind the general hate towards her from cooba as well.
Once I joined a server and the first thing cooba said was that "I don't say hi, rotten bastard" and at some point that "I get horny whenever I roast him." Besides all those senseless accusations and attacks I believe such messages are out of place anywhere. (reading logs? didn't you start hating me when the CC teamspeak closed instead? That cause people started using it as their own private teamspeak? Never mind that I had nothing to do with the decision to close teamspeak?)
cooba's determination in keeping contact only when he wants to flame me doesn't stop by just muting and flaming/provoking when there's a chance. There's also the questionable fact of "randomly demoting me as an official" a year ago. That, after months, was resolved too by reinstating me as an official. Quite a few of the other active admins and officials at that time questioned cooba's way of demoting me. What do you mean, no personal agenda and capable leadership? cooba gave no proper explanation before, during and after my demotion as to why I should be demoted - it just happened. And again, he wouldn't even want to talk to me during that time even though FS tried to set up a chat between us 3 multiple times. Interesting enough cooba seemingly hates FS too (hasn't cooba called FS and me the 2 biggest idiots in the world/jj2 or something similar once?)
If anything, I suggest cooba to contact me in a normal way so we can talk and just continue with whatever. Ignoring each other, working together only when needed and not flaming each other whenever. If this happens I will just delete this message as if nothing happened and we'll continue playing jj2 (for fun, instead of flaming?). If this doesn't happen and cooba continues to flame me but ignoring any requests to talk normally (not like he will get any anymore), I believe "his credibility in this matter is compromised" like he once told me. I don't want him to post anything to/about me then anymore and I suggest any post about me to be deleted. I've been allowing him to PA me and requested to talk to him for quite some time but now I hope to resolve this publicly.
My intentions are clear, now I hope something actually happens one way or another. I didn't use many personal attacks cause that'd make this post too offensive. I hope something actually happens now, one way or another. I have intentionally not used any of my so hated sarcastic sentences.
Cheers
(This post has been helpful to 2 of the forumers.)
Firstly, nothing has the right to insalt a woman except God, Goddess or younger woman: her sister, I think. But I don't factually know. From my experience, it's just not effectively possible.
Secondly, if you never breathed before, where would you want to 'dd' and why.
Thricely, if you could shoot lasers out of your eyes, would you want one beam per eye or two beams per eye? We can apply this idea of receptionality to number one regarding the family structure, although number two is still debateable.
Fourth, jest regardless. SNI'd. SARCASM NOT INCLUDED.
Firstly, nothing has the right to insalt a woman except God, Goddess or younger woman: her sister, I think. But I don't factually know. From my experience, it's just not effectively possible.
Secondly, if you never breathed before, where would you want to 'dd' and why.
Thricely, if you could shoot lasers out of your eyes, would you want one beam per eye or two beams per eye? We can apply this idea of receptionality to number one regarding the family structure, although number two is still debateable.
Fourth, jest regardless. SNI'd. SARCASM NOT INCLUDED.
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Considering someone made a forum thread from my post I'd like to add it was originally posted here: http://jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2873
Otherwise parts of the post don't make sense anymore.
Considering someone made a forum thread from my post I'd like to add it was originally posted here: http://jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=descr&id=2873
Otherwise parts of the post don't make sense anymore.
This whole thread looks like it was made just to make ppl,who didnt hate cooba,hate him,and for people who did, to hate him even more. In it u mention how its directed to cooba as he blocked any way of contacting you, so why would he in gods mercy reply to you now, after continuosly avoiding and flaming you for 2 years. No doubt this was just a way to make him look like an asshole. It also mentions his last flaming at our cw, but honestly your behavior for one lost score after an already massive lead was really ridiculous, you overreacted megarly, and started flaming. As for those other occasions of him flaming you, im unaware of what realy happened since i wasnt there so i cant say much about it, im sure,however, it also has hidden facets in it which u did not mention like that cw example. It always takes 2 people to have an argument, and as much as you would like to think cooba is a retarded mofo who does nothing but insult people in all directions, im pretty sure you did something to provoke him, so know that you had your share in this.I'm not saying that what he's doing is okay, just wanted to let u know that he's not the only bad person here (as you have kindly described it in your message).
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This whole thread looks like it was made just to make ppl,who didnt hate cooba,hate him,and for people who did, to hate him even more. In it u mention how its directed to cooba as he blocked any way of contacting you, so why would he in gods mercy reply to you now, after continuosly avoiding and flaming you for 2 years. No doubt this was just a way to make him look like an asshole. It also mentions his last flaming at our cw, but honestly your behavior for one lost score after an already massive lead was really ridiculous, you overreacted megarly, and started flaming. As for those other occasions of him flaming you, im unaware of what realy happened since i wasnt there so i cant say much about it, im sure,however, it also has hidden facets in it which u did not mention like that cw example. It always takes 2 people to have an argument, and as much as you would like to think cooba is a retarded mofo who does nothing but insult people in all directions, im pretty sure you did something to provoke him, so know that you had your share in this.I'm not saying that what he's doing is okay, just wanted to let u know that he's not the only bad person here (as you have kindly described it in your message).
Well both veg and cooba have their dark sides I guess. And both have become worked on becoming better and more productive members of the jj2 society in the past couple of years.
King is right that cooba is even less likely to respond after this, but if you so correctly posit the motives behind veg's post, then you should go all the way with your reasoning. It's quite likely that veg pretty much figures the same thing as you do, so knowing that, there must still be a sensible (in his mind) reason for writing this, correct?
Maybe he was restraining himself (again from his point of view) for so long that he can't do it anymore.
Fact of the matter is that veg used to have a mean streak and you didn't want to get on his wrong side. Cooba must have resented the fact that veg (a former cheater in his eyes) held such power in jj2 (being a ZD admin I think?). There was a time when I was pretty upset about that as well and he did do some weird BS sometimes (kicking JJB for no good reason once etc.). I guess he has a sort of temperament, which can be seen from the latest cw scenario (altho it has to be added, that the stop came WAY after the score and althho I would have scored myself as well, you can see how the other sides arguments can be interpreted as less than sincere). But saying that I would have reacted the same as Rag, I can't be completely sure I wouldn't have also reacted sort of like veg when returning to the server. It's called the heat of the fight and to anybody who's ever played a cw, it's obvious stuff like that can happen. However playing the holier than thou card (for what was it, 2nd season in a row now?) and trying to sell your image of being martyrs, unjustly wronged by t3, CC and god knows who else is getting old. You had a SUB (the person after whom this topic is named) last season, grow a pair and get over it, it wasn't heroism, we're sick and tired of it. (see I'm doing the vegito now, I've been meaning to get this out for a long time now)
Lately I get along pretty well with veg. I guess if CC and GpW played more and if we both cared a bit more about results we'd quickly start finding small reasons to hate each other. I know I'm often spiteful and Veg can be the same way. Plus we're both competitive, so that hardly helps. My main point of contetion with veg was, that ever since the jj2wc2 thing I didn't completely trust him. That's over now, he's won enough that he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone by cheating anymore. So fine, he isn't always cultured and well mannered, but he makes for a good team mate in 3v3's and altho he sometimes sucked as a ZD admin (he was active tho), I don't think anybody ever complained about his JDC work efforts.
As for cooba. Well we have some history as well. He joined GpW when we were dying and nobody else would join us. He left for si, not that I was too bitter at the time, I didn't have time to manage stuff anyway. Besides you only need PR guys after you already have a warteam not as a basis of one.
I think he liked to see us stepping up to the likes of SR (he had LR back then I think?) and CC, but then things took a turn for the worse. I'm not sure he was too fond of moti joining and then leaving the clan, I guess they're friends and I must have done something terribly wrong. I don't run GpW as I should, because I'm terrible at managing stuff and I have some times when I'm absent, so sometimes I just lead by dictating, because it's easiest. Me and Kenny often did stuff that weren't nice to a lot of people once GpW became very big again.
I'm also pretty sure (I think this was actually made explicit) that Cooba disliked our recruitment policy in general. You have to see that me and kenny did the capitalist thing here: screw the worker, it's all about the clan. So we would kick, then recruit again and just act like real a**holes a lot of the time. It was a conscious decision (IT WAS ALL KENNY, THE 10 YEAR OLD BOY MADE ME DO IT I TELL YOU!). I remember absolutely hating people who didn't agree with my policy (holier than thou a**holes) who also had no clue how gpw was run the 1st time anyway (srsly, im the oldest guy here, so don't tell me how you remember gpw, you didn't even know about jj2 when I was already helping Newspaz run the jj2 part of operations). I'm guessing I said something along the lines: "FU you don't know what we're trying to do here and FU with ur romantic notions, you came in when we were washed up and that's not something we're going to let happen again."
It's a situation similar to the Rise of China today. People moan about human rights and all of that, whereas China just wants to be great again - an imperialist superpower. And it has a right to be (for better or for worse). And don't for a second imagine, that what made China great the 1st time were some BS altruistic policies.
So for people who came around 2004/05 and who only knew PyromanusGpW was a nice guy and now gpw is swarming with some iliterate romanian nubs who don't know how to behave properly, they don't know anything about the history of this community. In the days of Jazz2City the community was full of iliterate jj2 nubs from the US and CAN and they were just as bad if not worse. Unless you hate romanians cuz they're no good gypsies - but that's hardly something you can openly defend in this forum (if you want to win anyway). Except for Dethman that was the jj2 community, don't glorify a past that never happened (sort of like all the western films do when it comes to the biggest manslaughter and theft in history - the primary accumulation of Americas).
Plus I'm guessing that me and Reni being all <3333 and doesn't help either (and him posting photos of her all photoshopped seriously doesn't help the matter). So that's all it took I guess. Then we exchanged some violent blows and voila, we're here today.
And although I don't like cooba, he is a pretty good j2o admin, keeping the page afloat nicely and making sure our levels get hosted, providing a second hub to the jj2 community. He does good work. Even tho like veg (and myself) he has a dark, vindictive side to him as well. And I think he's a dick.
But if the future of humanity rests on the majority of us being good people, then we're probably screwed.
I guess all veg wanted to say was that he's had enough of snide remarks and because he didn't get it out of his system sooner, he got it out now. More time efficient.
Well both veg and cooba have their dark sides I guess. And both have become worked on becoming better and more productive members of the jj2 society in the past couple of years.
King is right that cooba is even less likely to respond after this, but if you so correctly posit the motives behind veg's post, then you should go all the way with your reasoning. It's quite likely that veg pretty much figures the same thing as you do, so knowing that, there must still be a sensible (in his mind) reason for writing this, correct?
Maybe he was restraining himself (again from his point of view) for so long that he can't do it anymore.
Fact of the matter is that veg used to have a mean streak and you didn't want to get on his wrong side. Cooba must have resented the fact that veg (a former cheater in his eyes) held such power in jj2 (being a ZD admin I think?). There was a time when I was pretty upset about that as well and he did do some weird BS sometimes (kicking JJB for no good reason once etc.). I guess he has a sort of temperament, which can be seen from the latest cw scenario (altho it has to be added, that the stop came WAY after the score and althho I would have scored myself as well, you can see how the other sides arguments can be interpreted as less than sincere). But saying that I would have reacted the same as Rag, I can't be completely sure I wouldn't have also reacted sort of like veg when returning to the server. It's called the heat of the fight and to anybody who's ever played a cw, it's obvious stuff like that can happen. However playing the holier than thou card (for what was it, 2nd season in a row now?) and trying to sell your image of being martyrs, unjustly wronged by t3, CC and god knows who else is getting old. You had a SUB (the person after whom this topic is named) last season, grow a pair and get over it, it wasn't heroism, we're sick and tired of it. (see I'm doing the vegito now, I've been meaning to get this out for a long time now)
Lately I get along pretty well with veg. I guess if CC and GpW played more and if we both cared a bit more about results we'd quickly start finding small reasons to hate each other. I know I'm often spiteful and Veg can be the same way. Plus we're both competitive, so that hardly helps. My main point of contetion with veg was, that ever since the jj2wc2 thing I didn't completely trust him. That's over now, he's won enough that he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone by cheating anymore. So fine, he isn't always cultured and well mannered, but he makes for a good team mate in 3v3's and altho he sometimes sucked as a ZD admin (he was active tho), I don't think anybody ever complained about his JDC work efforts.
As for cooba. Well we have some history as well. He joined GpW when we were dying and nobody else would join us. He left for si, not that I was too bitter at the time, I didn't have time to manage stuff anyway. Besides you only need PR guys after you already have a warteam not as a basis of one.
I think he liked to see us stepping up to the likes of SR (he had LR back then I think?) and CC, but then things took a turn for the worse. I'm not sure he was too fond of moti joining and then leaving the clan, I guess they're friends and I must have done something terribly wrong. I don't run GpW as I should, because I'm terrible at managing stuff and I have some times when I'm absent, so sometimes I just lead by dictating, because it's easiest. Me and Kenny often did stuff that weren't nice to a lot of people once GpW became very big again.
I'm also pretty sure (I think this was actually made explicit) that Cooba disliked our recruitment policy in general. You have to see that me and kenny did the capitalist thing here: screw the worker, it's all about the clan. So we would kick, then recruit again and just act like real a**holes a lot of the time. It was a conscious decision (IT WAS ALL KENNY, THE 10 YEAR OLD BOY MADE ME DO IT I TELL YOU!). I remember absolutely hating people who didn't agree with my policy (holier than thou a**holes) who also had no clue how gpw was run the 1st time anyway (srsly, im the oldest guy here, so don't tell me how you remember gpw, you didn't even know about jj2 when I was already helping Newspaz run the jj2 part of operations). I'm guessing I said something along the lines: "FU you don't know what we're trying to do here and FU with ur romantic notions, you came in when we were washed up and that's not something we're going to let happen again."
It's a situation similar to the Rise of China today. People moan about human rights and all of that, whereas China just wants to be great again - an imperialist superpower. And it has a right to be (for better or for worse). And don't for a second imagine, that what made China great the 1st time were some BS altruistic policies.
So for people who came around 2004/05 and who only knew PyromanusGpW was a nice guy and now gpw is swarming with some iliterate romanian nubs who don't know how to behave properly, they don't know anything about the history of this community. In the days of Jazz2City the community was full of iliterate jj2 nubs from the US and CAN and they were just as bad if not worse. Unless you hate romanians cuz they're no good gypsies - but that's hardly something you can openly defend in this forum (if you want to win anyway). Except for Dethman that was the jj2 community, don't glorify a past that never happened (sort of like all the western films do when it comes to the biggest manslaughter and theft in history - the primary accumulation of Americas).
Plus I'm guessing that me and Reni being all <3333 and :* doesn't help either (and him posting photos of her all photoshopped seriously doesn't help the matter). So that's all it took I guess. Then we exchanged some violent blows and voila, we're here today.
And although I don't like cooba, he is a pretty good j2o admin, keeping the page afloat nicely and making sure our levels get hosted, providing a second hub to the jj2 community. He does good work. Even tho like veg (and myself) he has a dark, vindictive side to him as well. And I think he's a dick.
But if the future of humanity rests on the majority of us being good people, then we're probably screwed.
I guess all veg wanted to say was that he's had enough of snide remarks and because he didn't get it out of his system sooner, he got it out now. More time efficient.
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Oh ya w8, I remember what sparked the final fight between me and cooba.
I commented a moti match where I said I taught her all she knows.
Obviously I didn't mean that. When I said it was a joke, I was called out on having a poor sense of humor.
To which I replied with a long (and very mean) PM saying that the goal was to have the most comments on jj2 and not to really be funny.
And that the difference should have been obvious. Because obviously the statement that I hd taught moti all she knows is hardly
giggle-worthy. It's only funny to all of those who know how much some of the aspects of my game stink. It was a half-assed internal joke if you will, for which I got called out.
Oh ya w8, I remember what sparked the final fight between me and cooba.
I commented a moti match where I said I taught her all she knows.
Obviously I didn't mean that. When I said it was a joke, I was called out on having a poor sense of humor.
To which I replied with a long (and very mean) PM saying that the goal was to have the most comments on jj2 and not to really be funny.
And that the difference should have been obvious. Because obviously the statement that I hd taught moti all she knows is hardly
giggle-worthy. It's only funny to all of those who know how much some of the aspects of my game stink. It was a half-assed internal joke if you will, for which I got called out.
looks like a serious fight hahahaahahahah ja pierdole wstyd, sorry urbs, i had nothing to do with that D:
threads first post looks like having a mercenary interest not that well played
looks like a serious fight hahahaahahahah ja pierdole :( wstyd, sorry urbs, i had nothing to do with that D:
threads first post looks like having a mercenary interest :D not that well played i-)
King, just like cooba posted bs about me while he wasn't there during the clanwar, same applies to his other flames.
Feel free to ask chatlogs and be sure there was no reason for him to flame me. He has never given any kind of chance to us working out normally anymore and that's what I am questioning here. So no, there I had nothing to do with it. I once even just joined and he flamed me already.
Exactly this, the random flaming me while refusing any kind of contact with me, is what I am trying to stop by posting this.
And a reply to Urbs: Indeed, I guess your summary (the final sentence) more or less says it all. I don't care if cooba, you or me have a dark side and all: the thing is to just forget about it and continue and try to be a better person next time. In this case that's far from what's happening and I hope to actually change that. I've indeed saved all those "snide remarks" as you said and I saved them up till I could file a big enough complaint about what is currently happening.
If it's well played or not.. I guess neither, but I do hope to prove a point. And that isn't saying "cooba is an asshole" or whatever (cause like Urbs said - I can be as well) but saying "lets just f*ck what happened and continue" which most players are able to do. How many f*cking times did I forget about Kenny's () previously shitty behaviour by now? Sure it took some time to let go at times but it worked.
King, just like cooba posted bs about me while he wasn't there during the clanwar, same applies to his other flames.
Feel free to ask chatlogs and be sure there was no reason for him to flame me. He has never given any kind of chance to us working out normally anymore and that's what I am questioning here. So no, there I had nothing to do with it. I once even just joined and he flamed me already.
Exactly this, the random flaming me while refusing any kind of contact with me, is what I am trying to stop by posting this.
And a reply to Urbs: Indeed, I guess your summary (the final sentence) more or less says it all. I don't care if cooba, you or me have a dark side and all: the thing is to just forget about it and continue and try to be a better person next time. In this case that's far from what's happening and I hope to actually change that. I've indeed saved all those "snide remarks" as you said and I saved them up till I could file a big enough complaint about what is currently happening.
If it's well played or not.. I guess neither, but I do hope to prove a point. And that isn't saying "cooba is an asshole" or whatever (cause like Urbs said - I can be as well) but saying "lets just f*ck what happened and continue" which most players are able to do. How many f*cking times did I forget about Kenny's (:D) previously shitty behaviour by now? Sure it took some time to let go at times but it worked.
There are a simple solution.
But it includes that both parts need to behave as adults and talk to eachother.
After that you can just ignore eachother if you want to. If not, a person that want to solve this will not continue insulting..
"The myth that women should not lift heavy is advanced only by women who fear effort and men who fear women." -Eric Midkiff
There are a simple solution.
But it includes that both parts need to behave as adults and talk to eachother.
After that you can just ignore eachother if you want to. If not, a person that want to solve this will not continue insulting..
Lol tried to post and i was banned, what a headache recently its been. Two things i will bring to discussion, more briefly than last type-up so succinctity. I am sorry for actions and behaviors particularly mid-2003, where probably almost no one has a clue why i would say that in this context, but thinking alike and getting this reference, it's more or less equivalent example of polarization on and around JJ2. So next thing is why don't we really try to come up with some self-recognition for Jazz2+, such that we can have an option that stops automatically when a player disconnects mid-game. At least in my opinion, trying to prevent a flamewar is greater than or less than not trying to prevent a flamewar, so I don't have ability to make such a change to program and there is also no indication that I have any consistency toward being a fair player and creating fair game rules. It's the same thing that caused flamewar during last National Tournament, and undubitably previous ones.
Lol tried to post and i was banned, what a headache recently its been. Two things i will bring to discussion, more briefly than last type-up so succinctity. I am sorry for actions and behaviors particularly mid-2003, where probably almost no one has a clue why i would say that in this context, but thinking alike and getting this reference, it's more or less equivalent example of polarization on and around JJ2. So next thing is why don't we really try to come up with some self-recognition for Jazz2+, such that we can have an option that stops automatically when a player disconnects mid-game. At least in my opinion, trying to prevent a flamewar is greater than or less than not trying to prevent a flamewar, so I don't have ability to make such a change to program and there is also no indication that I have any consistency toward being a fair player and creating fair game rules. It's the same thing that caused flamewar during last National Tournament, and undubitably previous ones.
cooba - a guy who randomly hates some persons for no reason. For example, he is the most responsible person/thing what made NerD leave the community. I will never like cooba because of that, even if he is a great administrator of J2O and JDC. He acts maybe weird sometimes, but we all do, right? Too bad he made some stupid decisions. I don't like when he hates someone or insults if someone is a newbie, or make a typo in writing. Not everyone is just perfect .
Vegito - nothing bad to say about him. He helped me over 500 times, won't forget him when he made my hard disk readable Only 100MB of 1500MB was visible. He never argued with someone if he hadn't a good reason. He was always right, so I believe that he has right in this argue, too. Could be a good lawyer. In JJ2 he spotted a lot of small things what nobody else could ever thought of (tactics, players improving fast, flamewars starting). He stopped me a lot of times to start a flamewar with someone. Good person.
P.S. cooba, please answer. If you don't want a deal with Veg, that's OK, but don't insult him anymore.
From my point of view:
cooba - a guy who randomly hates some persons for no reason. For example, he is the most responsible person/thing what made NerD leave the community. I will never like cooba because of that, even if he is a great administrator of J2O and JDC. He acts maybe weird sometimes, but we all do, right? Too bad he made some stupid decisions. I don't like when he hates someone or insults if someone is a newbie, or make a typo in writing. Not everyone is just perfect ;) .
Vegito - nothing bad to say about him. He helped me over 500 times, won't forget him when he made my hard disk readable :D Only 100MB of 1500MB was visible. He never argued with someone if he hadn't a good reason. He was always right, so I believe that he has right in this argue, too. Could be a good lawyer. In JJ2 he spotted a lot of small things what nobody else could ever thought of (tactics, players improving fast, flamewars starting). He stopped me a lot of times to start a flamewar with someone. Good person.
P.S. cooba, please answer. If you don't want a deal with Veg, that's OK, but don't insult him anymore.
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Nerd is not a drama queen and as such didn't leave because of a community member he didn't like.
Nerd is an adult with real life who made himself a break from JJ2 to spend more time in said real life.
Nerd is not a drama queen and as such didn't leave because of a community member he didn't like.
Nerd is an adult with real life who made himself a break from JJ2 to spend more time in said real life.
He was always right, so I believe that he has right in this argue, too.
What a nonsense conclusion, Toni, I don't even mean Veg now, but in general, do u think that someone who never did anything "bad", will never do?
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Could be a good lawyer.
Yes, good lawyer talks cunning and is able to turn things upside down.
Also, writes extensively but not necessarily to the point.
also,
King's post
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im pretty sure you did something to provoke him, so know that you had your share in this"
I'll summarize this by saying:
"A bad workman always blames his tools"
u both are adult, both have ur own life, you even don't have a proper reason to argue..
This is how i see it:
http://iv.pl/images/85164344935942501838.jpg
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[quote]He was always right, so I believe that he has right in this argue, too. [/quote]
What a nonsense conclusion, Toni, I don't even mean Veg now, but in general, do u think that someone who never did anything "bad", will never do?
[quote]Could be a good lawyer.[/quote]
Yes, good lawyer talks cunning and is able to turn things upside down.
Also, writes extensively but not necessarily to the point.
also,
King's post
[quote]im pretty sure you did something to provoke him, so know that you had your share in this"[/quote]
I'll summarize this by saying:
"A bad workman always blames his tools"
u both are adult, both have ur own life, you even don't have a proper reason to argue..
This is how i see it:
http://iv.pl/images/85164344935942501838.jpg
greets
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Veg you missed my point. I tried to say that this thread looks like a clever attempt to just turn the community against cooba, due to the fact(if you have ANY common sense) that you definitely knew he would never respond here. As for him randomly joining/flaming, when i said "you did something to provoke him" i didnt mean that you said something atm to start his fire, i meant you clearly did something in the past to deserve his love, tho what you did to make him go "that far" escapes me. DZ's idea ofcourse is the logical one, but ofcourse cooba will not show up for this most likely. Urbz was right, i did not go all the way with my reasoning, im not sure,however, that i completely agree with him either, i was kinda tired and i just wanted to go to sleep, as i woke up pretty early today but still wanted to post a short comment about it,which was a mistake obviously. Once again im repeating that what cooba is doing is not okay, but you had your share in this, and by that i mean you (i repeat) did something in the past to provoke him that badly. Toni's comment holds crap content mostly, really nothing much worth reading. He just called cooba and asshole and veg a sweet loving angel which has arisen from the 7 heavens. SE's comment holds a lot of wise words, and gjenka mostly wanted to say what i wanted to (especially about that lawyer part), tho im not quite sure what she meant by quoting my sentence (gimme a break i woke up 30 min ago :l)
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Veg you missed my point. I tried to say that this thread looks like a clever attempt to just turn the community against cooba, due to the fact(if you have ANY common sense) that you definitely knew he would never respond here. As for him randomly joining/flaming, when i said "you did something to provoke him" i didnt mean that you said something atm to start his fire, i meant you clearly did something in the past to deserve his love, tho what you did to make him go "that far" escapes me. DZ's idea ofcourse is the logical one, but ofcourse cooba will not show up for this most likely. Urbz was right, i did not go all the way with my reasoning, im not sure,however, that i completely agree with him either, i was kinda tired and i just wanted to go to sleep, as i woke up pretty early today but still wanted to post a short comment about it,which was a mistake obviously. Once again im repeating that what cooba is doing is not okay, but you had your share in this, and by that i mean you (i repeat) did something in the past to provoke him that badly. Toni's comment holds crap content mostly, really nothing much worth reading. He just called cooba and asshole and veg a sweet loving angel which has arisen from the 7 heavens. SE's comment holds a lot of wise words, and gjenka mostly wanted to say what i wanted to (especially about that lawyer part), tho im not quite sure what she meant by quoting my sentence (gimme a break i woke up 30 min ago :l)
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JK also this should be in off topic because its not related to jj2 unless someone has something insightful to say about the topic
This post exists solely to increase my post count
JK also this should be in off topic because its not related to jj2 unless someone has something insightful to say about the topic
(good morning xd) King, this is nothing more than an attempt to resolve the issue. Sure, he may have his reasons to hate me however after nearly 2 years it might be time to get over it, talk like a man and continue? Isn't that the main point of this?
cooba refused to talk to me to resolve this by himself/through a "neutral" party so I try it this way now. If I wouldn't write anything here the situation would just continue as it is, no matter my good or bad attempts, nothing would change. Considering cooba has rejected any talks with positive intentions with me I don't expect him to talk to me now either. The difference is that I now publicly showed good intentions - I have tried talking multiple times and try to do so now too. If he doesn't want to talk, fine, but this thread will at least not allow him to continue flaming me so easily. I'd just continue to prove my point from in this thread then. I guess you see my point now.
(good morning xd) King, this is nothing more than an attempt to resolve the issue. Sure, he may have his reasons to hate me however after nearly 2 years it might be time to get over it, talk like a man and continue? Isn't that the main point of this?
cooba refused to talk to me to resolve this by himself/through a "neutral" party so I try it this way now. If I wouldn't write anything here the situation would just continue as it is, no matter my good or bad attempts, nothing would change. Considering cooba has rejected any talks with positive intentions with me I don't expect him to talk to me now either. The difference is that I now publicly showed good intentions - I have tried talking multiple times and try to do so now too. If he doesn't want to talk, fine, but this thread will at least not allow him to continue flaming me so easily. I'd just continue to prove my point from in this thread then. I guess you see my point now.
Just talk things out. I'm sure you're both reasonable, good people and not too stubborn for it.
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Sry xd
Just talk things out. I'm sure you're both reasonable, good people and not too stubborn for it. :P
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That's a lot words for such a simple message as "Let's ignore eachother".
And a lot of those words are quotes of me, where are quotes of you?
If you truly wanted to "resolve" anything, you would have simply sent me a mail or a PM or whatever. But instead, you posted a thread that makes me look like literal Satan and colors you as some sort of saint. And look at the timing too, almost as if you wanted everybody to look at this evil power abuser!
I'm no longer 15 and I have many other things going on than some lowlife on a forum. You thinking that I must hate you is funny, because in reality I don't care about you as much as you'd like me and everybody to care about you.
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I now publicly showed good intentions
No you didn't, try again. Or actually, don't.
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That's a lot words for such a simple message as "Let's ignore eachother".
And a lot of those words are quotes of me, where are quotes of you?
If you truly wanted to "resolve" anything, you would have simply sent me a mail or a PM or whatever. But instead, you posted a thread that makes me look like literal Satan and colors you as some sort of saint. And look at the [url=http://www.jazz2online.com/jdc/]timing[/url] too, almost as if you wanted everybody to look at this evil power abuser!
I'm no longer 15 and I have many other things going on than some lowlife on a forum. You thinking that I must hate you is funny, because in reality I don't care about you as much as you'd like me and everybody to care about you.
[quote]I now publicly showed good intentions[/quote]
No you didn't, try again. Or actually, don't.
If you truly wanted to "resolve" anything, you would have simply sent me a mail or a PM or whatever.
Vegito wrote:
cooba refused to talk to me to resolve this by himself/through a "neutral" party so I try it this way now.
Seems like another point where you 2 do not agree.
Looks as if debating who is the "good guy" and who is the "bad guy" is pointless here. It is not going to help.
You should just focus on agreeing to disagree and start ignoring each other. Flaming (and I'm not blaming only 1 of the 2 for this) is never good, just a waste of time.
Just my 50 cents of advice, do whatever you see fit.
[quote="cooba"]If you truly wanted to "resolve" anything, you would have simply sent me a mail or a PM or whatever.[/quote]
[quote="Vegito"]cooba refused to talk to me to resolve this by himself/through a "neutral" party so I try it this way now.[/quote]
Seems like another point where you 2 do not agree.
Looks as if debating who is the "good guy" and who is the "bad guy" is pointless here. It is not going to help.
You should just focus on agreeing to disagree and start ignoring each other. Flaming (and I'm not blaming only 1 of the 2 for this) is never good, just a waste of time.
Just my 50 cents of advice, do whatever you see fit. :chatter:
How often have I send a PM/tried to talk at MSN or at jj2? Like, 5 to 10 times? I've messaged you at jj.net, I tried to talk to you with FS (multiple times), I tried to talk to you with/via Sperry. There were more occasions but I just can't remember them all. Especially around the demotion of me at the JDC site I tried to talk to you normally but you ignored each and every request. So a "simple mail or PM or whatever" is easy to say for you - if you ignore each and every bit of it anyway. How about you talk trying to talk to me? Never happened. So hello, here it is in public.
The timing with activating JDC had nothing to do with it actually, I was planning to post something like this for a while already.
Also, you don't care? Then stop flaming me entirely/stop posting hate comments at anything I say? Obviously you care to annoy me.
Like I said in this post - I wish to quit it and this is just a summary as to why I post this cause it's sickening how you just wish to continue this.
How often have I send a PM/tried to talk at MSN or at jj2? Like, 5 to 10 times? I've messaged you at jj.net, I tried to talk to you with FS (multiple times), I tried to talk to you with/via Sperry. There were more occasions but I just can't remember them all. Especially around the demotion of me at the JDC site I tried to talk to you normally but you ignored each and every request. So a "simple mail or PM or whatever" is easy to say for you - if you ignore each and every bit of it anyway. How about you talk trying to talk to me? Never happened. So hello, here it is in public.
The timing with activating JDC had nothing to do with it actually, I was planning to post something like this for a while already.
Also, you don't care? Then stop flaming me entirely/stop posting hate comments at anything I say? Obviously you care to annoy me.
Like I said in this post - I wish to quit it and this is just a summary as to why I post this cause it's sickening how you just wish to continue this.
How often have I send a PM/tried to talk at MSN or at jj2? Like, 5 to 10 times?
No PMs on J2O or JCF, no e-mails, and literally nothing in my MSN chatlog folder since May 2011, so not all that often.
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I tried to talk to you with FS (multiple times)
Two times.
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I tried to talk to you with/via Sperry.
This never happened.
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How about you talk trying to talk to me?
In your favorite fashion, let's look at the last time I tried to talk to you:
[00:01:36] cooba[si]: i actually wanted to ask you veg
[00:01:41] cooba[si]: next time i make a thread
[00:01:45] cooba[si]: would you be so kind
[00:01:50] cooba[si]: and not contradict half of it
[00:01:52] cooba[si]: in a post
[00:02:00] VegitoCC: I made clear
[00:02:03] VegitoCC: that it was towards Lithium
[00:02:08] VegitoCC: and not towards anything else you stated
[00:02:17] VegitoCC: "but that only counts for you"
[00:02:24] cooba[si]: so you think it's okay if i say "everyone is welcome"
[00:02:30] cooba[si]: and then "not you "
[00:02:40] VegitoCC: sarcasm is hard to notice
[00:02:48] cooba[si]: bad excuse
[00:02:54] VegitoCC: no excuse
[00:03:08] VegitoCC: lets see
[00:03:29] VegitoCC: look at my post
[00:03:34] VegitoCC: "However, that only counts for you, Lith "
[00:03:40] VegitoCC: if that doesnt clearly show it was ONLY
[00:03:42] VegitoCC: meant for him
[00:03:47] VegitoCC: and that it was sarcastic [00:03:50] VegitoCC: I dont know where your brains are
[00:04:03] VegitoCC: so as you said
[00:04:05] VegitoCC: "Shut up."
[00:04:08] cooba[si]: No
[00:04:37] VegitoCC: of course not
[00:04:41] VegitoCC: only I have to shut up apparently
[00:04:42] VegitoCC: ;_;
[00:04:59] cooba[si]: i'd like it if you werent sarcastic towards people
[00:05:04] cooba[si]: who are willing to help
[00:05:17] cooba[si]: thats pretty simple
[00:05:20] VegitoCC: everybody is sarcastic to Lithium
[00:05:23] VegitoCC: well
[00:05:25] VegitoCC: not everybody
[00:05:32] VegitoCC: either way, his behaviour towards me
[00:05:42] VegitoCC: can guarantee I will find opportunities
[00:05:48] VegitoCC: to make "small jokes" too
[00:06:04] VegitoCC: and even he saw its a joke
[00:06:13] VegitoCC: or Faw, or Gry or anyone for that matter
[00:06:14] VegitoCC: except for you [00:06:29] VegitoCC: so I guess you may be the problem indeed
One of us was acting civil, one of us was a passive-aggressive dick who felt like arguing... and this time I wasn't the latter So maybe you should reconsider why exactly I wasn't willing to hear anything you wanted to say. And no, I don't think you want to make any amends, I've known you and seen your behavior for too long to think otherwise.
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Also, you don't care? Then stop flaming me entirely/stop posting hate comments at anything I say? Obviously you care to annoy me.
Then, I propose you stop acting like a some moronic, stuck up JJ2 celebrity? Be it a CW where you spit bile over a single lost point, or a simple game in a ZD where you're all like "yes i'd love to kick this person ". Not even gonna mention all the times you played (and keep playing) as Veg4[someone]- you made your personal life public and readily available via many means to the entire community, as if there were gossip mags saying "WHO WILL VEGITO GO OUT WITH NEXT?"
I'm sure you will keep twisting facts and my words, but have fun with that alone, because I am not going to grace this thread with a response anymore.
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[quote="Vegito"]How often have I send a PM/tried to talk at MSN or at jj2? Like, 5 to 10 times?[/quote]
No PMs on J2O or JCF, no e-mails, and literally nothing in my MSN chatlog folder since May 2011, so not all that often.
[quote]I tried to talk to you with FS ([b]multiple times[/b])[/quote]
Two times.
[quote]I tried to talk to you with/via Sperry.[/quote]
This never happened.
[quote]How about you talk trying to talk to me?[/quote]
In your favorite fashion, let's look at the last time I tried to talk to you:
[00:01:36] cooba[si]: i actually wanted to ask you veg
[00:01:41] cooba[si]: next time i make a thread
[00:01:45] cooba[si]: would you be so kind
[00:01:50] cooba[si]: and not contradict half of it
[00:01:52] cooba[si]: in a post
[00:02:00] VegitoCC: I made clear
[00:02:03] VegitoCC: that it was towards Lithium
[00:02:08] VegitoCC: and not towards anything else you stated
[00:02:17] VegitoCC: "but that only counts for you"
[00:02:24] cooba[si]: so you think it's okay if i say "everyone is welcome"
[00:02:30] cooba[si]: and then "not you ;)"
[00:02:40] VegitoCC: sarcasm is hard to notice
[00:02:48] cooba[si]: bad excuse
[00:02:54] VegitoCC: no excuse
[00:03:08] VegitoCC: lets see
[00:03:29] VegitoCC: look at my post
[00:03:34] VegitoCC: "However, that only counts for you, Lith "
[00:03:40] VegitoCC: if that doesnt clearly show it was ONLY
[00:03:42] VegitoCC: meant for him
[00:03:47] VegitoCC: and that it was sarcastic
[b][00:03:50] VegitoCC: I dont know where your brains are
[00:04:03] VegitoCC: so as you said
[00:04:05] VegitoCC: "Shut up."[/b]
[00:04:08] cooba[si]: No
[00:04:37] VegitoCC: of course not
[00:04:41] VegitoCC: only I have to shut up apparently
[00:04:42] VegitoCC: ;_;
[00:04:59] cooba[si]: i'd like it if you werent sarcastic towards people
[00:05:04] cooba[si]: who are willing to help
[00:05:17] cooba[si]: thats pretty simple
[00:05:20] VegitoCC: everybody is sarcastic to Lithium
[00:05:23] VegitoCC: well
[00:05:25] VegitoCC: not everybody
[00:05:32] VegitoCC: either way, his behaviour towards me
[00:05:42] VegitoCC: can guarantee I will find opportunities
[00:05:48] VegitoCC: to make "small jokes" too
[00:06:04] VegitoCC: and even he saw its a joke
[00:06:13] VegitoCC: or Faw, or Gry or anyone for that matter
[00:06:14] VegitoCC: except for you
[b][00:06:29] VegitoCC: so I guess you may be the problem indeed[/b]
One of us was acting civil, one of us was a passive-aggressive dick who felt like arguing... and this time I wasn't the latter :-D So maybe you should reconsider why exactly I wasn't willing to hear anything you wanted to say. And no, I don't think you want to make any amends, I've known you and seen your behavior for too long to think otherwise.
[quote]Also, you don't care? Then stop flaming me entirely/stop posting hate comments at anything I say? Obviously you care to annoy me.[/quote]
Then, I propose you stop acting like a some moronic, stuck up JJ2 celebrity? Be it a CW where you spit bile over a single lost point, or a simple game in a ZD where you're all like "yes i'd love to kick this person :)". Not even gonna mention all the times you played (and keep playing) as Veg4[someone]- you made your personal life public and readily available via many means to the entire community, as if there were gossip mags saying "WHO WILL VEGITO GO OUT WITH NEXT?"
I'm sure you will keep twisting facts and my words, but have fun with that alone, because I am not going to grace this thread with a response anymore.
Good job showing a 1.5 year old chatlog. (Which was way after you already flamed me several times)
Two of us were acting civil when you wrote this:
[20:43:01] coobaCX: uwage to ci zwracam jak kazdej mojej podwladnej
[20:43:03] coobaCX: z burdelu
as well as this:
[20:50:11] *** Veg4SpR[CC] joined the game
[20:50:15] Veg4SpR[CC]: cooba, moti, tell me one thing please
[20:50:17] coobaCX: o nie kod czerwony
I can post the entire chatlog here if you wish, it shows you exactly why I posted this here . Either we can stop posting chatlogs entirely and get over it or you continue flaming me making yourself look worse instead. Sperry tried to talk to you and moti in a server which is when you flamed her massively and left right when I joined. That was an attempt to talk. I don't think we should be posting just chatlogs here but just get over the thing, may that be difficult.
What name I play with is of my concern and none of your business - you can ignore it if you wish. I am not annoying anyone by playing with the nickname I play now.
Sometimes players are like "kick me kick me" and - while I don't kick anymore - I can jokingly say something or should I always be 100% serious? OR are you referring to 2 year old facts again? And don't I show I try to make amends not using any sarcasm? And is it your problem if I get angry over a game and then when I cool off I'm fine again later? Not being able to take losses is a pretty common thing in the world among gamers.
I made part of my life public as I chose to do so, I am fairly careful with telling other parts though and I believe there's something like "freedom of speech."
Good job showing a 1.5 year old chatlog. (Which was way after you already flamed me several times)
Two of us were acting civil when you wrote this:
[20:43:01] coobaCX: uwage to ci zwracam jak kazdej mojej podwladnej
[20:43:03] coobaCX: z burdelu
as well as this:
[20:50:11] *** Veg4SpR[CC] joined the game
[20:50:15] Veg4SpR[CC]: cooba, moti, tell me one thing please
[20:50:17] coobaCX: o nie kod czerwony
I can post the entire chatlog here if you wish, it shows you exactly why I posted this here :). Either we can stop posting chatlogs entirely and get over it or you continue flaming me making yourself look worse instead. Sperry tried to talk to you and moti in a server which is when you flamed her massively and left right when I joined. That was an attempt to talk. I don't think we should be posting just chatlogs here but just get over the thing, may that be difficult.
What name I play with is of my concern and none of your business - you can ignore it if you wish. I am not annoying anyone by playing with the nickname I play now.
Sometimes players are like "kick me kick me" and - while I don't kick anymore - I can jokingly say something or should I always be 100% serious? OR are you referring to 2 year old facts again? And don't I show I try to make amends not using any sarcasm? And is it your problem if I get angry over a game and then when I cool off I'm fine again later? Not being able to take losses is a pretty common thing in the world among gamers.
I made part of my life public as I chose to do so, I am fairly careful with telling other parts though and I believe there's something like "freedom of speech."
Either we can stop posting chatlogs entirely and get over it or you continue flaming me making yourself look worse instead.
No, I posted it to balance out your single-sided story about you "trying to talk to me". Since you couldn't turn away from that, you decided to post chatlogs of me and drag me into the mud further.
Stop bothering, this is obvious you don't want anything else than more drama and flamewars.
cooba signing OUT.
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[quote]Either we can stop posting chatlogs entirely and get over it or you continue flaming me making yourself look worse instead.[/quote]
No, I posted it to balance out your single-sided story about you "trying to talk to me". Since you couldn't turn away from that, you decided to post chatlogs of me and drag me into the mud further.
Stop bothering, this is obvious you don't want anything else than more drama and flamewars.
cooba signing OUT.
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doesn't help either (and him posting photos of her all photoshopped seriously doesn't help the matter). So that's all it took I guess. Then we exchanged some violent blows and voila, we're here today.
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wstyd, sorry urbs, i had nothing to do with that D:
not that well played 
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So maybe you should reconsider why exactly I wasn't willing to hear anything you wanted to say. And no, I don't think you want to make any amends, I've known you and seen your behavior for too long to think otherwise.