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Go to2016-09-19Primetime - Rag vs Splat this thread is good but needs to the debate needs to be finished, true!
i can help you guys because we all clearly see who is better in this case. Mr. KRS. Plat please say thank you as i am happy to announce that you are the winner!
as ragnarok refused to answer most of the questions - seems like he sux atm. we still believe in your potenatial, raggia!
Go to2016-09-19Primetime - Rag vs Splat This topic is bullshit and should be deleted.
Go to2016-09-04Primetime - Rag vs Splat Sad to say, but I don't, I'm monolingual. I took 2 years of French and 2 years of Spanish during grade school, passed all of it, but basically didn't learn a thing. Speaking Spanish in the United States is kinda important, as many jobs will only hire bilingual English/Spanish speakers. Too bad for me. Also studied a little Cherokee, Polish, and Arabic with online courses, but never got too far. Interesting though because I also have Cherokee ancestry, and got interested in Arabic and Polish thanks to jj2, bringing this question back to our basic theme.

Idk if I have English ancestry but I do have some Scottish and Irish ancestry, since you asked about blood history so I guess there is a good chance I may have English ancestry as well.

As you ask how I feel, I wish I spoke Spanish as lots of people wanna talk with me in Spanish and I just fail, xd. The most manipulative language? Conquering the world? I'm not sure what you mean by that, but maybe only because of my perspective, having lived in an English-speaking country all my life. Sure I have emotional attachment to my original home, actually the amount of slang in my community can be overwhelming even for other Americans from different parts of the country, but mostly my emotions for home are for my friends, family, community, environment, scenery, etc. Not language really, and imo I don't want to use English as a way to manipulate or conquer. I can't talk online the way I talk with my local friends because, well people dunno how "what's good" means like "what's up" or "jaunt" means like... (any thing). And, sometimes I don't understand slang from outside of my native DC area too. In other words, there's diversity between American, British, or how I see European English, and the colloquialisms don't always transfer geographically. Plus you got Austrailian English, Canadian, who knows how many other regions speaking English. So what I'm saying is, essentially I use a watered-down, more plain vocabulary online than I do irl. Just so it's more easily understood, and I bet many people could relate to this.

Anyway, sure, though, I think the US and UK have done enough "conquering" already, but I see the spread of English as a byproduct of that. It's not that the English language naturally takes over people's vocabulary, but that certain English-speaking countries like to take over people's lands. Also, I always wondered why the Celtic culture, is pronounced like 'keltic' and the basketball team Boston Celtics are pronounced like 'seltics' even when the basketball team is clearly named after the Celtic people. Furthermore, I believe that the Boston Celtics mascot takes his image from the ancient Mexican king Huitzilihuitl.

Huitzilihuitl:



Celtics mascot:



See the resemblance? @[email protected]
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat It is actually interesting question i have a few regarding this: are you bilingual? How comes? Do you have any blood history with your language? How do you feel about it? Do you think english is the most manipulative language and english conquer the world? Do you have any emotional attachments with your origin?

GO ON IM INTERESTED
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat Wow I read this and after 10 minutes I'm still laughing.

Do you two know any other languages besides English?

Serriously though. You're both from countries where English is official or most used. I'm sure you had Spanish or French or W/E language you had in school, though that does not mean anything. For an example, I had Italian and don't even remember the basic things. If you do know languages, which ones are they?
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat Sounds like you're opening up another debate KRSplat!

jk

I think my biggest crime in JJ2 is when I get mopey at moti after we lose ladders.

I apologize to everyone affected emo
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat No, I mean to say that you should answer with your biggest crime in jj2, as opposed to mine.
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat KRSplat, do you mean to say you disagree?
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat Ragnarok, I believe the intention of the question was for you to say your biggest crime on jj2, not mine.
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat Hello friends, we appreciate your questions and we will answer them; however we intend to tackle deeper, philosophical questions with more dimensions and that are open for debate.

The best CTF player in JJ2:

This can depend on what you view as "CTF". CTF presumably means Capture the flag, and you may mean:
1) the gamemode; capture the flag
2) the act of capturing the flag (which in jj2, is taking the enemy flag)
3) the act of making the score (which in some other games, is called capturing the flag)
I can only assume you mean number 2 so I draw your attention to recent NT statistics.
On average, Zerg captured the flag 8 times per game, an admirable statistic.

The biggest crime that KRSplat commited in JJ2:
I cannot think of anything more heinous than the crime admitted above by my colleague, KRSplat.
Sometimes they say it's the things you don't do that you regret the most; I think KRSplat's biggest crime in this regard, is deleting his comments to player [GpW]Urbs in recent ladder comments. KRSplat should be more ruthless and belligerent, like our future world leader, Kanye West.
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat Everyone falls in love sometimes, only on jazz jackrabbit it is a crime. Sorry ladies.

Jk, ok really, my worst crime on jj2 was using /k against Rag back when I was with t3 facing against Cx, in 2012 I guess. I asked them not to use /stop without warning, because it was really irritating me how much they did it, and there was no /cstop, and /nomovement back then still allowed your bunny to fall from the air, as opposed to freezing them in the air. But it wasn't my place to enforce this, and cost my team a point or two and also was unfair to Cx, so I apologize to both parties. I definitely felt bad about it, still can't stress it though. I thought I could make my own rules, and if others didn't want to listen then screw them.

The best ctf player is Moti, not you Krzysiek, and I say this because look at our JDC 2v2, Moti and I defeated you and Naps 5-0 on TD's map SRF.
Go to2016-09-03Primetime - Rag vs Splat what is the biggest crime you commited in jj2? do feel bad for it? please apologise
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat Who is the best ctf player? and why its me? emo emo
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat If we could paint a picture of Jety after this debate, this may be it.



A cyborg banana.
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat I have more thoughts to share on this debate...

It is very true, that she is quite clearly one of the best in battle. I recall she beat me 22-8 in olcpppeak, my own level, under a 45 minute time limit.

However this made me question things, and then I realised, the answer was right there before my eyes when you replied... She isn't in fact a banana, but a cyborg. Behold...

J.E.T.B.A.N.A.N.A

Juggernaut.Engineered.To.Bring.Abject.'N'.Absolute.Noob.Annihilation

This acronym, if you will, shows that J.E.T.B.A.N.A.N.A was actually here to destroy all the noobs at battle, which partially explains her talent.

The rest of her talent? I believe its down to a combination of intimidation, patience and practice.

So no, J.E.T.B.A.N.A.N.A, contrary to popular belief, is not a banana.
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat emo
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat Greetings, comrades. King, Rag, everyone your participation in this debate is much appreciated.

Now, imagine a world in which JetBANANA is not yet banana, but a banana tree yet to bear fruit. In this case, we consider the tree, as opposed to its fruit. Soon, Jety may look more like this:



But for now, it's possible she looks more like this:



So, if we consider the tree as opposed to the banana, Jety is neither fruit nor vegetabe. In fact, she is inedible .

However, peering into Jety's personality - she likes to wait in CD for players to duel. That is fully vegetating, an act only a vegetable can perform.

Another possibility is she really is a banana, like her namr implies.

It's impossible to know, without knowing her personally. Frankly, I used to think she is a battle bot with some chat functionality. But with evidentially no coder taking credit for her, the safest assumption for me is she is who she says she is. And, she deserves respect. Why would we open with a question about her? She's simply one of the best, and has many haters.
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat I think that the answer mostly lies in the name.

The sequence "JETBANANA" can be split into two groups: 30% non-banana, and 70% banana.

Going by this we can do some simple tests to decipher if there is any statistical significance between the difference between these two studied groups.
Using a two-tailed t-test, we can see that we need two or more values in each group.

Further to the hypothesis postulated by SE:
Sir Ementaler wrote:
Jety is an online avatar of who claims to be a young female human from Uzbekistan. The actual age, sex, and location have not been empirically confirmed and may differ. Technically so may the species, although that is to my knowledge highly unlikely.


We can see that not much is known about Jety. It is not impossible that she is a Siamese twin, 30% non-banana, 70% banana, and 100%, not non-banana/banana.
Yes, the usage of 200% as a total is controversial, but if she indeed had a twin, then she would count as two entities.

So the short answer is, given that it is possible that Jetbanana is at least 50% banana, that she is actually a fruit.
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat First Question.

Is JetBanana a fruit? Or is it a vegetable? Or is it just an impostor and not even food altogether? Comment and discuss.
Go to2016-09-02Primetime - Rag vs Splat Heeeellooooooo people and welcome to this specTACULAR event. Today we will be having a debate between 2 MIGHTYYYY stars! I'm sure i need not introduce them since you all know them but i shall do so anyways!

Our first candidate is a proud clanleader, a respected levelmaker and a player of some skill.
Ladies and gents give up for RAGNAROK!

Our second candidate is also a player of decent skill, who's wisdom knows no limits, a player who's been with us for a very VERY long time.
Give it up for KRSPLAT EVERYBODY!

Now down to the event rules.
Each of the candidates will be asked a question and they have to not only answer it but also discuss their answer. There's no timelimit whats so ever so take your time.
Thats all rules there is. Everybody ready?

Here we go!
Go to2013-03-13Toni Well what do you know. The thread turned sour again.

Ragnarok, cooba or Toni can feel free to contact an admin/mod for unlocking if they want to continue their ..conversation (or start a new thread about that map contest or w/e), since they're the only ones who don't seem entirely done talking.


(locked)
Go to2013-03-13Toni
Quote:
Considering your past behaviour (arguings with Veg, and other things like flamewars etc), and your comment yesterday or 2 days ago that you like to troll and make fun of others, I maybe overreacted with my post. I really didn't believe that you were innocent. Now when people told me that you weren't wearing it for a long time, and that you weren't trolling me as I thought you did, I have to apologize to you!


This being said, there's absolutely no reason to keep this thread unlocked.This thread was about me and toni and that issue seems to have been resolved. If you feel to have a lack of intelligence to continue this, then make a new thread and leave me out of it. If i get included for any kind of flowers, i will personally ask admins to delete it whether its true or false. But my personal opinion is that you keep your mouths firmly and nicely closed since you're never gonna resolve this and this one goes to everyone.
Go to2013-03-13Toni
GLaDOS wrote:
I just see people getting upset and pointing fingers at each other, talking to others like they're the scum of the earth for things that happened in the past.

Oh but when things that happened in the past are a fairly just basis to consider somebody the scum of the earth. I'd say the only condition on which in judgement past actions shouldn't be considered equal to present ones is regret. When there are no signs of that, I believe you can safely assume nothing has changed and in the same conditions the person in question would do the same deeds again.

With no relation to the actual topic whatsoever.
Go to2013-03-13Toni
King wrote:
As for the rest of cooba's comment... try to somehow somewhat ignore it. It's his personal about you (for some justified past reasons i believe?) and im quite sure you have a similar opinion about him and replying to him will start this whole thing yet again. You clearly dislike each other so leave it at that.


Trying to ignore his posts as much as I can. Isn't hard, since every his posts looks similar to the previous ones.

Sean wrote:
Toni said: I wasn't cheating because all of the voters saw the other entries in the contest as well (I ain't lyin' bro) and they picked mine of their own will, because they genuinely thought my level was the best.


Exactly.

cooba wrote:
You are an imbecile for believing this for one second.


Prove that I lie or shut up. Ask everyone who voted for me:
- did they see all levels
- were they asked to join my server, and did I show them all levels (someone who I know saw levels, like Anubis and Lithium, can't remember who else voted weren't invited)
- did I force them to vote for me, or did I gave them anything like money or whatever else.

Maybe I forgot what else is important to ask, but ask anything you like. I stand behind anything I did, and I consider it's not a cheating.

Again, we're going back to past, what is really funny, since we said it's not good to look for past happenings. You should have said it before plunk gave me games on steam. And he was so friendly and nice that he gave me $5 more than I deserved.

King wrote:
This comment was written by me but i didnt start the FT drama that followed after it (but due to the comment being its obvious source, you are permitted to say that i had good part in it). It also gets overlooked that i had no intentions of this ending up like this, overlooked that i didnt quite know about it much and that i was the first to stop using it before one of the admins told me to do so. i remember cj kicking and renaming hakum and ahmo repeatedly for wearing the FT tag. All of your comments are implanted in a way to take the worst out of my comments, and leave out the just important parts.


Considering your past behaviour (arguings with Veg, and other things like flamewars etc), and your comment yesterday or 2 days ago that you like to troll and make fun of others, I maybe overreacted with my post. I really didn't believe that you were innocent. Now when people told me that you weren't wearing it for a long time, and that you weren't trolling me as I thought you did, I have to apologize to you!

GLaDOS wrote:
I read it, and I am seeing lots of accusations, insults and flaming, especially later on in the thread. Nothing is being resolved, I just see people getting upset and pointing fingers at each other, talking to others like they're the scum of the earth for things that happened in the past.


GLaDOS, you know that by now that I have high positive opinion about you! This is nothing personal, but please try not to read this if you don't want. I wouldn't maybe read everything if this wasn't about me, but someone else. I really want to see peoples real faces, and try to resolve anything what is wrong here.
Go to2013-03-13Toni I read it, and I am seeing lots of accusations, insults and flaming, especially later on in the thread. Nothing is being resolved, I just see people getting upset and pointing fingers at each other, talking to others like they're the scum of the earth for things that happened in the past.
Go to2013-03-13Toni
King wrote:
Without a doubt you tried to scare cooba to make him shuttup, but i have no idea what in the right mind possessed you to think it would have any effect.


You're right, I didn't actually think it would work, but then again you're operating on the belief I'm trying to make cooba shut up in the first place. I don't think that's ever going to happen, but I'm simply being courteous and giving him a warning anyway.

King wrote:
cooba is most likely never gonna wore himself out


He won't ever need to either, it's as simple as that.

King wrote:
In case you didnt notice i apologized for the "misunderstanding"(the content of the comment as i've said was not meant to be offensive, and henceforth i have no obligation to apologize for that) and all of you ignored it completely. Wasnt this thread about the comment?if so then my apology comment should have been the last one and yet this is still going on fierce. Its a proof that this is not about the comment but something much more. Lock the thread and solve it somewhere else, becuz the rest has nothing to do with me and my comment. while i took a small part into FT, i took no part into insulting toni directly.


I've noticed already, and I've already forgiven you for that. That being said, this thread has clearly gone far off the comment, so I wouldn't pin it entirely on the original happenings either. This was bound to happen sooner or later anyway.
Go to2013-03-13Toni Well glados i can tell you didnt read any of this since you'd have known it has nothing to do with the comment. I dont resent you for it, infact im glad atleast you werent retarded enough to lose time for something as silly as this,unlike the rest of us.

So this "group" thinks it can "win" a "war" against me then?

Quote:
Quote:
You all are just 14 year olds who think they can threaten a man, who spent 10 years in this community, into leaving. This is more funny than pathetic, I'll give you that, since I'm not going anywhere.



I find it funny you think I'm referring to myself, and that you'd try to read everything I never said into my post. I never said I'm going to be contributing to this "war", I never said they would be pressuring you to leaving, and without any due respect you still haven't made any new points. emo


Ah lets see.... honestly that was a very stupid thing to say sean... "dont start a war against a group you cant win against". It sounds both pathetic and funny at the same time. Without a doubt you tried to scare cooba to make him shuttup, but i have no idea what in the right mind possessed you to think it would have any effect. I truly dont belive you ACTUALLY meant that because both cooba and this "group" did so much (lets pretend i didnt say sh*t) "wrong" to each other, it is more likely that its never going to end until one finally gets exhausted and decides its enough. A war (exaggeratedly argument) is won when one successfully manages to prove his point and makes the other one shuttup, and you know very well that that will simply not happen, quite the opposite you're all going to circle around the same flaws and mistakes the other one did without ever making a point so it will most likely come down to that "had enough of this part" in which cooba is most likely never gonna wore himself out, and i dont know about the "group" however. This is the thing i was hopelessly trying to prevent, at first i whined becuz i felt injustice of the deleted comment,but after i saw veg and cooba joining here i tried to somehow somewhat end it before it gets to this. This is not how this "joke" was supposed to end up. And thats why i (more than once) told people to let this go and forget about since it would be the smartest thing to do. Ragnarok figured it out too and he told you to lock the thread more than once, you are simply 2 "groups" who completely disagree with each other. In case you didnt notice i apologized for the "misunderstanding"(the content of the comment as i've said was not meant to be offensive, and henceforth i have no obligation to apologize for that) and all of you ignored it completely. Wasnt this thread about the comment?if so then my apology comment should have been the last one and yet this is still going on fierce. Its a proof that this is not about the comment but something much more. Lock the thread and solve it somewhere else, becuz the rest has nothing to do with me and my comment. while i took a small part into FT, i took no part into insulting toni directly.
Go to2013-03-13Toni Am I seeing this right? 5 pages of heated arguing and pointless flaming because of trolling in response to biased votes at a levelmaking contest from over a year ago?
So, apparently this is what the community has come to...
Go to2013-03-13Toni
cooba wrote:
Then why are you not posting it?


Because unlike you, I understand you still have a measure of dignity you would like to keep and so I am withholding it to preserve that. If you WANT me to provide this proof, I am quite happy to!

cooba wrote:
You are an imbecile for believing this for one second.


On the contrary, you are an imbecile for attempting to spread conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. My point with that rephrasal is that you are intentionally misunderstanding his words in order to sound like you hold the moral high ground.

cooba wrote:
So this "group" thinks it can "win" a "war" against me then?

You all are just 14 year olds who think they can threaten a man, who spent 10 years in this community, into leaving. This is more funny than pathetic, I'll give you that, since I'm not going anywhere.


I find it funny you think I'm referring to myself, and that you'd try to read everything I never said into my post. I never said I'm going to be contributing to this "war", I never said they would be pressuring you to leaving, and without any due respect you still haven't made any new points. emo
Go to2013-03-13Toni
Sean wrote:
I'd also like you to keep your pie hole shut about this when I have proof of you being a corrupt little rat as well.

Then why are you not posting it?

Sean wrote:
"I wasn't cheating because all of the voters saw the other entries in the contest as well (I ain't lyin' bro) and they picked mine of their own will, because they genuinely thought my level was the best."

You are an imbecile for believing this for one second.

Sean wrote:
I'd like you to rethink these words very carefully unless you decide you want to declare war on a group which you cannot win against.

So this "group" thinks it can "win" a "war" against me then?

You all are just 14 year olds who think they can threaten a man, who spent 10 years in this community, into leaving. This is more funny than pathetic, I'll give you that, since I'm not going anywhere.
Go to2013-03-13Toni Ah, lovely, another chance for me to explain things again.

cooba wrote:
Toni wrote:
It was a money contest. Since $40 for you in UK is nothing hard to add on steam account, and we can't do it in Serbia, I found it somehow satisfied to just win the prize.

This is pathetic. Not only the thought "I deserve $40 worth in games more than anybody, so I'll have my friends vote for me" literally went through your head, you actually decided it's a good idea and there's nothing wrong with it.


Your response to his words there are completely unjustified and unbalanced, he never admitted to cheating in the contest and that's purely conjecture from you and Rag as far as evidence is concerned. What he was saying is that $40 in games is worth a lot more to him than it is to most other people, which you cannot refute considering the economic and sociological status of Serbia, and that this motivated him to work harder to win first place. Anything about cheating here is solely you attempting to rephrase what he says into something in your favor.

cooba wrote:
Toni wrote:
Like you never got help from your friends in such a situation

No, he didn't, because he's not a corrupt little rat like you.


Read above, and perhaps tone your words down lest I decide I want to work with the same methods as you. I'd also like you to keep your pie hole shut about this when I have proof of you being a corrupt little rat as well.

cooba wrote:
You are, and always have been, a coward, hiding behind fake identities, a cheat, and a liar, and you fully deserve to be bullied until the day you stop playing. You need to have a [FT] tag emblazoned on your forehead with a burning cow marking, and to answer "I got this for thinking I was better and smarter than everyone, and that I'd never done anything wrong and was always unfairly judged" every time someone asks you about it, with pity in their eyes.

Because that's what you think, that's what you and your ego obviously must think, you are a pure little angel with 9999 friends and the best player and the best everything ever.

You disgust me and it takes literal pain to even bother your idiotic, self-praising drivel with a reply. So at least you got one of your "threats" (LOL) to work.


I'd like you to rethink these words very carefully unless you decide you want to declare war on a group which you cannot win against.

Ragnarok wrote:
Did you think that actually justified anything Toni?

You disgust me - I don't care for shit about the prize, it bothered me that you got it unjustly.


Rag, also note that Toni's exact words are:

Toni wrote:
It's probably not cheating, because all of them saw all levels for the contest (BE SURE OF THAT, AS YOU ARE SURE THAT SEA IS DEEP), and I pleased them to vote, they weren't forced or anything like that. It was their will to do so.


Rephrased into proper English: "I wasn't cheating because all of the voters saw the other entries in the contest as well (I ain't lyin' bro) and they picked mine of their own will, because they genuinely thought my level was the best."

He has never said that he was justifying cheating, or that he was even cheating in the first place.

I took a look at the old SS3 voting thread again and I still can't see any traces of why you'd think Toni rigged it, some CC members didn't even vote for Toni. Any patterns you noticed in their voting can also be attributed to your clan, so any arguments about sainthood here are just plain stupid.
Go to2013-03-13Toni Toni you're quite persistent, now im really getting an unpleasant feeling that i am being completely discredited. I didnt start the FT thing and took a minimum out of a minimum participation in to FT. This comment was written by me but i didnt start the FT drama that followed after it (but due to the comment being its obvious source, you are permitted to say that i had good part in it). It also gets overlooked that i had no intentions of this ending up like this, overlooked that i didnt quite know about it much and that i was the first to stop using it before one of the admins told me to do so. i remember cj kicking and renaming hakum and ahmo repeatedly for wearing the FT tag. All of your comments are implanted in a way to take the worst out of my comments, and leave out the just important parts. I agree with cooba's part that you're way over your head thinking that what you're doing is right. No doubt what my clanmates did was wrong but it still does not justify you repeatedly using the term "idiots". As for the rest of cooba's comment... try to somehow somewhat ignore it. It's his personal about you (for some justified past reasons i believe?) and im quite sure you have a similar opinion about him and replying to him will start this whole thing yet again. You clearly dislike each other so leave it at that.
Go to2013-03-13Toni Did you think that actually justified anything Toni?

You disgust me - I don't care for shit about the prize, it bothered me that you got it unjustly.

Like I said, close this thread before it gets dirty. I was tempted to write more.
Go to2013-03-13Toni
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It was a money contest. Since $40 for you in UK is nothing hard to add on steam account, and we can't do it in Serbia, I found it somehow satisfied to just win the prize.

This is pathetic. Not only the thought "I deserve $40 worth in games more than anybody, so I'll have my friends vote for me" literally went through your head, you actually decided it's a good idea and there's nothing wrong with it.
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Like you never got help from your friends in such a situation

No, he didn't, because he's not a corrupt little rat like you.

You are, and always have been, a coward, hiding behind fake identities, a cheat, and a liar, and you fully deserve to be bullied until the day you stop playing. You need to have a [FT] tag emblazoned on your forehead with a burning cow marking, and to answer "I got this for thinking I was better and smarter than everyone, and that I'd never done anything wrong and was always unfairly judged" every time someone asks you about it, with pity in their eyes.

Because that's what you think, that's what you and your ego obviously must think, you are a pure little angel with 9999 friends and the best player and the best everything ever.

You disgust me and it takes literal pain to even bother your idiotic, self-praising drivel with a reply. So at least you got one of your "threats" (LOL) to work.
Go to2013-03-12Toni
Ragnarok wrote:
no i still think you are a cheater for that ss3 contest - getting your clanmates and people to vote for you without them having even seen the other levels, in other words, people to vote for you who otherwise would not have.


2 things here:

1) Like you never got help from your friends in such a situation
2) It was a money contest. Since $40 for you in UK is nothing hard to add on steam account, and we can't do it in Serbia, I found it somehow satisfied to just win the prize. It's probably not cheating, because all of them saw all levels for the contest (BE SURE OF THAT, AS YOU ARE SURE THAT SEA IS DEEP), and I pleased them to vote, they weren't forced or anything like that. It was their will to do so.

Finally I see who you really are, you were pretending to be nice to me, but now... it's ok, I at least know who thinks what about me. emo

King wrote:
Ironically you insulted the sh*t out of me right there, in case you really didnt notice. Do try to be more carefull with your comments especially after the things started to go in a "positive direction". I just got a huge lecture of "be carefull what you write" and then you go along posting that.


My bad for not explaining it as I mean. It's not telling that you sux or anything, I just don't want her to think that I started the whole thing, while I was inactive.

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if i remember well, king never wore an [ft] tag.


Judging by his story, I thought he wore it. (Now he says he did for a short time)
Go to2013-03-12Toni while this thread is taking a positive turn (except for kenny who was just trying to be a hater) i can see some stuff were still not explained properly. Yes i did use a FT tag but for a really short while so its not a miracle you didnt notice.I dont think there's even one ladder of me wearing it(1 tops). I noticed moti ahmo using it(and at that time it was more or less who was active in cx) and i started to use it too. But... when i asked about it i got a "XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD HAHAHAHAAHAHAAH, :> just wear it kay? :>"instead of an explanation and i quickly dropped the tag due to the fact i found it to look ugly (preferred KingCx). After that i more or less went idle for a period of time, didnt even come to skype much (it can all be seen in ladders, as you can see it was mostly ahmo/aimane with moti) which is why i said that i probably missed a lot of stuff that happened. I am perfectly aware why you find it hard to belive, moti and i are close friends and obviously i should have known about this but eh sh*t happens. The reason why i knew it was about you is becuz later i found some people talking about it but ignored it thinking it was nothing serious and well the rest is out here in this thread.

Edit: didnt even notice this somehow

"What a great suggestion! The thing I don't like here is that you put me in the same bracket with King. Maybe you didn't want it, but you did actually. I am really offended. If you didn't mean to do it, then it's okay! Read your post again, and after that find a post where I insulted someone like he did. I don't remember when I insulted someone, so hard to remember (I know I said something to cooba long time ago, and to Artem, too, but it was not only me - doesn't make me innocent, tho). If it was the thing what made your point of view bad about me, then it's bad luck for me. I am not a person like that."

Ironically you insulted the sh*t out of me right there, in case you really didnt notice. Do try to be more carefull with your comments especially after the things started to go in a "positive direction". I just got a huge lecture of "be carefull what you write" and then you go along posting that.
Go to2013-03-12Toni if i remember well, king never wore an [ft] tag.
Go to2013-03-12Toni
Go to2013-03-12Toni Hi Anubis
Go to2013-03-12Toni "getting your clanmates and people to vote for you without them having even seen the other levels, in other words, people to vote for you who otherwise would not have"

I did see the other levels, just saying.
Go to2013-03-12Toni Leave me out of this Toni, please.
Go to2013-03-12Toni this thread is beyond stupid, but i decided to reply:

no i still think you are a cheater for that ss3 contest - getting your clanmates and people to vote for you without them having even seen the other levels, in other words, people to vote for you who otherwise would not have. that's not two-faced because i've said it publically. with regards to fireball, i thought you were just being defensive because you were afraid of change, but then the thought of you actually using gun8 to defend the base in silwi was ridiculous. I said this FT thing as a joke then i left it (you can probably find a ladder screen of me wearing it). it escalated quickly and i didnt have any part of it as it went further.

i really dont care about what comes next but i think it was an idiotic decision to open this thread up or allow this to further escalate. anyone with a brain-cell, please close it immediately. think of me what you like, but that's all.
Go to2013-03-12Toni
Lithium wrote:
I think everything related to King and Toni has been settled, yes? The thread brings up some other interesting issues (such as some other people's relations towards Toni), but I think this should be locked for now. If a higher admin disagrees, then feel free to unlock it.
Locking a discussion is what you do when it is deteriorating beyond salvation. This one has taken a positive turn.
Go to2013-03-12Toni
i:m wrote:
i personally would like to apologize you, toni, for hurting you. so i apologize. but i dont like you still.


There, you proved my point. I said you're not idiot, but you sometimes act like that. Apologize acceptet (and I honestly hope you're not acting, like gienka acted on skype). I can't do much to change your opinion about me, you don't need to like me, I don't ask you or anyone to like me, but I please you all not to insult without proper reason. Apologize accepted! Just don't do silly things like you did. And just know, I don't expect us to have some great friendship. Not because of what happened, it's because we know we don't like each other. I apologize to you if you were insulted at any time.

King wrote:
i took almost no part in that FT thingy, was plainly doing it since other Cx-ers were doing it knowing like less than 20% about it and i got bored of it after less than a day


I can't believe you about this. Sorry, maybe you're telling the truth, but it's really weird - wearing a tag without knowing what it means, and knowing that it could have something with me (as you said 'I knew it has to do something with toni') is really suspicious, and looks like you lie (at least it looks like that for me). Sorry if I am wrong.

King wrote:
i honestly did not know things got serious between toni and my clanmates


This is something I didn't know too. It's cooba and moti after him who first started to flame me, however, cooba has been doing it for ages, from JDC 17 or so. However, moti joined him soon after that, and I still don't know why, but it's not important now, when we apologized for our mistakes. I am badly surprised when I saw Rag had something in that story. I considered him for a nice and honest person. Seems like he's a 2-faced guy, even thought I never thought it.

Andrei wrote:
Without even knowing what you guys are talking about, i can almost be 99% sure that king is wrong, for obvious reasons.


This is something what I really hate. Maybe he's wrong, maybe he is not. Don't post silly comments like that, please. I don't say King is not wrong or I am not wrong. But tell me, if you like Pepe, and you don't like Messi, and if Pepe stands on Messi's hand, does it mean Pepe is innocent, and Messi is wrong for lying down and not watching for Pepe where's he gonna stand on?

Reni wrote:
I dont think explaining in pages why what they did is wrong is gonna change their future behaviour or anything.
They might stop flaming/trolling for a while after this circus, but the most efficient way to deal with such people would be to ban them temporary from commenting imo. So when they post something offensive you'd warn them once (or twice) and if they keep doing it, you'd forbid them from posting for a month or two. - just an idea


What a great suggestion! The thing I don't like here is that you put me in the same bracket with King. Maybe you didn't want it, but you did actually. I am really offended. If you didn't mean to do it, then it's okay! Read your post again, and after that find a post where I insulted someone like he did. I don't remember when I insulted someone, so hard to remember (I know I said something to cooba long time ago, and to Artem, too, but it was not only me - doesn't make me innocent, tho). If it was the thing what made your point of view bad about me, then it's bad luck for me. I am not a person like that.
Go to2013-03-12Toni
Andrei wrote:
Without even knowing what you guys are talking about, i can almost be 99% sure that king is wrong, for obvious reasons.


Next time read the thread first, then make comments about King. He did do something wrong, but he apologized for it and I hope we won't be seeing such things happen again.

I think everything related to King and Toni has been settled, yes? The thread brings up some other interesting issues (such as some other people's relations towards Toni), but I think this should be locked for now. If a higher admin disagrees, then feel free to unlock it.
Go to2013-03-12Toni I dont think explaining in pages why what they did is wrong is gonna change their future behaviour or anything.
They might stop flaming/trolling for a while after this circus, but the most efficient way to deal with such people would be to ban them temporary from commenting imo. So when they post something offensive you'd warn them once (or twice) and if they keep doing it, you'd forbid them from posting for a month or two. - just an idea emo
Go to2013-03-12Toni Dat timing...
Go to2013-03-12Toni Without even knowing what you guys are talking about, i can almost be 99% sure that king is wrong, for obvious reasons.
Go to2013-03-11Toni
Go to2013-03-11Toni ;_;

only thing left to do is wait for Urbs's response.
Go to2013-03-11Toni My god thats a lot of words, thank god moti told me about "Too lazy, didn’t read / Conclusion" otherwise i would have never even looked it. I might be wrong about it, but might be not,some of the stuff happened long time ago so noone can say for certain what who meant what,but your line sums it up nicely "And lastly, be careful with [i]just a joke[i]’s, because they often aren’t so “just” on the other end." Revenge is a harsh word, i would not bother myself to go trough the hustle ,but if a bird crapped on your head or something, that'd put a smile on my face, i'l give you that. Its very true that i get aggressive at times and doesn't help the situation one bit, once i calmed down however i try to make it more smoothly and reasonable but by that time its alrdy too late. I do admit i like to get into arguments, however this was not the case, tho my bad reputation played a very important role here(As well as the veg scoring on cto opportunities). The reason why i brought up old business is plainly despite that you resolved it with ms, you havent said a word to me. About how i treat toni. What exactly did i do? i took almost no part in that FT thingy, was plainly doing it since other Cx-ers were doing it knowing like less than 20% about it and i got bored of it after less than a day(after that "FT" was out of my point of view and everything that followed was unrelated and unknown to me,lately i was also a lot busy so i guess i missed a lot of stuff). It was my own fault however that i reacted too aggressive which probably made it hard for you to try to reason with me. But you gotta understand that it felt for me like ron deleted that comment out of pure spite because he saw i was the one who posted it(take it from my point of view, a comment which did not seem all that offensive was taken out as an insult), i honestly did not know things got serious between toni and my clanmates so this came out as a huge shock and drama and it looked like you were just trying to use that as an excuse. I am sorry for the trouble and misunderstanding that occurred. I'l try to be more clear and lot less aggressive, atleast here on the jjnet.
Go to2013-03-11Toni Warning: This will be a very lengthy post. Please scroll down to the tldr-section if you don’t want to take the time to wade through it.

Introduction: incomplete amateuristic discourse analysis
A few pages down the line, this discussion has progressed a bit. If you look back at the earlier pages, you can discern a clear pattern in the posts by CXers: King and cooba explicitly attempt to trivialize the matter and moti implicitly doing the same by writing off-topic posts about for example urinary calculi. In the later pages, fortunately, King has actually voiced some of his own grievances. Seeing as he mentioned my name 10 times, it is obviously that I owe him some explanation and excuses. So here goes. But first, I need to make a quick detour into the world of rhetorics.

Part 1: Tu quoque
Tu quoque is a Latin phrase which I used to denote a certain kind of argument. It literally means “you too” and is also referred to as the appeal to hypocrisy. In rhetorics it is considered a fallacy (an unjust argument), an “improper logical form”, because eventhough it seems as though it supports your point, it strictly logically speaking doesn’t. For example, if I steal something from you, it doesn’t give you the right to steal. Stealing remains an immoral action.

However, true as that may be from a strictly logical point of view, we shouldn’t only concern ourselves with assigning guilt, but also with resolving our conflicts and differences. Obviously, my kicking King from a server for stealing a power-up from me doesn’t give him the right to bully Toni. I would agree with him, though, that if I have been bullying him (not an unreasonable conclusion, as we will see below), I don’t have any moral ground to stand on if I were to attempt to lecture him.

What does this mean? This means that I, personally, shouldn’t be lecturing King on bullying - or at the very least that King needn’t pay much attention to such a lecture from me. However, I haven’t been lecturing him. The people who have accused him of bullying Toni here (atleast the ones that spring to mind) were Vegito, Anubis, Urbs and Superjazz. Vegito, we can safely ignore, because everyone knows about the issues between him and CX in general by now. It might be tempting to ignore Anubis as well, since he is a CC member and a Zeal admin. However, and correct me if I’m wrong, I have never known Anubis to bully, nor abuse his powers. On the other hand, he frequently picks the “CC-side” in discussions, whether that side actually has something to do with CC (like the whole drama after the latest RDS-CX clanwar), or whether it is not really a CC-related issue, such as it is in this case. But let’s leave Anubis out for the sake of argument. That leaves us with Urbs and Superjazz. In the case of Superjazz, we have basically the same story as with Anubis, except that he is much less loosely tied to CC than Anubis is. On JJ2, he quite consistently expresses his own viewpoint or that of -t3> (and occasionally that of the JJnet crew). So you would be well-adviced to actually pay attention to what Superjazz writes, atleast if you are genuinely interested in listening to criticism of you.

Urbs, however, is about as neutral as you can get in this case. Granted, it is well-known that he and I are pretty close friends, but I would still argue that he is someone whose opinions you should actually try to take in. Back when I was both a real ZD admin and a JJnet admin, he was one of the loudest critics of my action (and those of others), which, in my opinion, speaks to his integrity. Furthermore, his criticisms are, for the most part, rather objective, atleast if you peel away the occasional hyperbole.

In short, I can understand why you wouldn’t want to listen to me if I were to, arguably hypocritically, give you a moral lecture on bullying, but you should try and listen to others, atleast when they do their best to argue in a reasonable way with you, like Anubis, Urbs and Superjazz have. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Part 2: Victims remember
An important thing to remember in cases like this, is that the two people involved in a potentially abusive situation won’t perceive it in the same way. This, along with internet dehumanization, explains quite well how nice people can become bullies without even realizing. I’ll run through my personal experience with the phenomenon, and then you can see if, perhaps, it applies to you too.

When I was a real Zeal admin, I often kicked people. Often it was well-deserved, but many times it wasn’t (and often it was “just a joke” - that is, it was a joke to me, and sometimes to the person I kicked too, but far from always). Morever, I never had the stones to hold my friends up to the same standards as my foes, especially not in the heat of the moment. That’s why I didn’t make for a very good Zeal admin and once I comprehended just how bad I had been at the job, I quit.

Anyway, when I kicked someone, I didn’t think much of it. To me, it was nothing. “y so serious xd it’s just a kick, just rj lol”. What I didn’t realize, atleast not well enough, was what it felt like to the other person. How they would remember it. So they would remember it, and I would have forgotten all about it the next day. That’s how you can continue doing the same thing over and over, without realizing when it’s too much. Once I was sufficiently called out on it in discussions on JJnet, I finally began to realize the extent of my power abuse in the Zeal servers. Why not sooner? Because it is much easier to ignore someone who flames you than someone who tries to reason with you, especially if the person in question feels neutral to you. People I respected were the ones who swayed me, especially Urbs and JJBynny.

There is a corollary to be found with the victim, however. Even when you are kicked for good reason, you will still think of it as power abuse if the kicking is done by a person who has previously kicked you unjustly.

Part 3: History repeats itself
The sad part is that it’s easy to relapse. Having had that kind of epiphany once, doesn’t make you immune from falling into the same dumb pattern. I already mentioned above that it’s reasonable to say that I’ve been bullying you, King. And I experience a kind of miniature flashback to when I quit as a Zeal admin when I read your posts. It’s the same thing all over again but on a smaller scale. Teasing/kicking/what -have-you you on JJ2, sometimes as a joke (and sometimes perceived as such by you), sometimes because I’m actually angry at you. Sure, sometimes you start the fight, sometimes I do, but the bottom-line remains that I should be mature enough to stop and apologize whether I mean it or not, not to mention that I am in a position of power, whereas you’re not.

I will now go over the specific occasions that you have mentioned here, explaining myself and apologizing where I feel it is appropriate. Even if I will discard some of your allegations, I know that you could have thought of several other better examples of times when I have acted abusively towards you, so please don’t take it as if I am trying to explain away everything I’ve ever done to you. Here goes:

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1. Kicked out of ZA becuz i asked him t kick out succer for insulting me but got kicked instead with a message (noob) when i got back gry says "cant you take a joke king XD"


The only possible scenario where kicking you would maybe be justified is if you had recently been flaming Sucer or someone else and then had the audacity to ask me to kick Sucer for it. Even if that were so, it is obvious from the kick message and the following line that I was more interested in provoking you than resolving the situation.

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2.Again on za (well this wasnt a kick but its still shit way of acting) jjb was insulting becuz i "lagged" again i called grytolle and instead of kicking him he just started talking to him in german or whatever language.


This is a nice example of a case where we perceive the situation differently. To me, it seemed as though I was called to the server for a silly reason (discussions about lag are pretty commonplace on JJ2). Apparently, though, you looked up to me and wanted me to help you resolve the issue with JJB? Either way, it could also be considered an example of me treating friends differently than others, so yes, in retrospect I guess I should have done more to help you there. You probably don’t want to hear it, but maybe it can help you see similar tendencies in yourself, so: at the time I, and many with me, considered you to be just another angry noob (same goes for pretty much all of CDF). It had more than a grain of truth to it, but that isn’t much of an excuse. (I am guessing you guys perceive Toni in a similar way, though I should be careful judging you by cooba’s posts)

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3. playing in zd grytlle was my teammate he was w8ting for the seek pu in semi, came and shot it before he did (timing) and he kicks me off with a message "typo".


Two wrongs don’t make a right: you were acting like a complete noob (around the same time as 2., right?) stealing the powerup from me, but kicking you, provoked as it was, was still power abuse and I should have just stopped the game and told you that either you quit playing, or I will.

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4. (wasnt a kick but a kill command sue me) Playing on semi again anubis and me vs chill and gry anubis kill chillax i score and kill grytolle while defending Grytolle: /k king.


I am sure that you are leaving something out here, but I can’t remember what (but probably a 3hk), so whatever. I am pretty sure that you used /k on me and others around the time too, however, so I’ll just say “you too” to that one.

Appendix: Miscallenous replies
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Then there was that MS and his "he's acting like he pwns so much" which was a complete stupid thing to say and you guys had so much fun making fun of him which pretty much proves what cooba said "some people do such stupid things that they deserve to be mocked".


Yep, CC as a whole has been mean to MS, on the other hand, we MS we have always resolved our issues with eachother. I suggest you do the same. Your point is well taken, though, though it sounds as though you think of it as a justification, rather than a the poor excuse that it is: "some people do such stupid things that they deserve to be mocked". Cooba seemingly embraces that attitude wholeheartedly, but I, while I sometimes act in such a way, have the decency not to be proud of it. I hope the same applies to you.

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About SR and him bullying you. You guys bullied him aswell as his teammates really.. i think every single player was flaming the crap out of him. If you were bothered by what slayer said then you care too much what people think of you.


As far as I know, the SR business wasn’t bullying, but a series of flamewar between him and JJnet admins/CCers/CDFers/etc. (Unless you mean that Toni, not being in any position of power whatsoever, managed to somehow bully an entire clan on his own, which is a ridiculous thought.) Like you can see later on in this thread, it is a good idea for you to try to write as clearly as possible so that people know who you are accusing of what. Otherwise you shouldn’t be surprised when you are misunderstood and get angry and/or have to say “I never said this”.

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It was very often that we were playing some random 3 vs 3's in zd's then suddenly a group of CC-ers would come. And when we finished the 3 vs 3 we found ourselves all kicked out of the server so CC can have its training.


Either you’re talking about the time before clear rules were set to resolve that matter, which is really pushing it, or you just refuse to accept the rules that were arrived at. If you were nolonger playing and others wanted to play, it’s their turn. Then add to that the rule that says that players decide who gets to spectate.

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And okay i would have gotten over it if there werent for another free zd and a bullshit server called CC treninz which was ALWAYS empty.


That last part just isn’t true - What the hell, dude? Also, I am pretty sure that we always checked which ZD had the least people in it, but it had to be a ZD that had a player limit allowing a 3v3 (the servers used to have several different playerlimits).

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In recent events there were a lot of SR posts of which it contained nothing else than to troll (pwn) someone and noone was doing anything about it. Becuz people who were trolled were ahmo motaz mourad iustyn and such (peple who weren t CC at that time and were newcomers) but nothing was than cuz they werent CC-ers.


JJnet has always had the policy of allowing trolling and flamewars until we feel it has gotten out of hand, so what do you want from us? If your friends are trolled, it’s your responsibility to stand up for them, not ours. If things get out of hand, though, you can reasonably expect some action by the JJnet crew. Also, plenty of people had called it power abuse in the past when we cracked down on SR for flaming and trolling people. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. We try to tolerate SR up to a point, and then he gets banned again. If you have a better solution, feel free to notify us.

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It seems like you're capable of making trolling jokes but when someone posts a single word about you ya all get defensive.


Not sure who “ya all” is in this case, but if I’m included, I try my best to let things slide on JJnet. Why wouldn’t people be defensive when you make accusations? The only difference is that many of “us all”, whoever that is, actually write in a clear enough manner for others to have atleast an idea of what we’re trying to say. (Congratulations on more or less succeeding in doing so in this post by the way :p)

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Now i am expecting to hear some "yeah nice to post things about the past king", is it in the past?


Others have proven this prediction of yours right in this thread, but I’d like to point out that I’m not supportive of them telling you to be quiet when you bring up old stuff (see above). You bring them up because they’re still bothering you and everyone should respect that.

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You talk about "talking behind someone's back" and yet say gry could you remind me who told sue "why dont you like playing with hakum, it cant be becuz he's an idiot, becuz i know you like playing with king XD"


Here I differ from the people you have been... let’s call it “discussing” with in this thread so far. They might think that it is horrible thing to talk behind someone else’s back, but I don’t. I think it’s much better to release your anger in a way that the other person doesn’t notice than to escalate things by saying it to their face. Of course, it doesn’t work if the person you’re talking to goes and tells the other person. I have expressed this opinion several times.

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Even in this thread toni used term "idiots" more than once and nothing was done about it.

(SE handled this one already)

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If Cx wrote that about you the posts would certantly be deleted no equallity which was always there is what bothers me greatly and then you even have the nerves to call US a bully. The same rules never aplied to us. It was always like CC doing and saying whatever they felt like, but whenever we made a joke theyd get all offensive, put out old logs and turn into one giant drama.


Aside from the fact that you at this point stop trying to distance yourself from the actions of your clanmates, how is it unequal? Far from all flaming by CXers is removed. (Ask moti if you don’t believe me). As far as CC and CX are concerned, I guess you could say we take different approaches (if I may make a crude generalization). You guys either flame or act like you’re too cool to care, whereas we either flame or try to reason with people (obviously the latter is better).

See above for the issue of whether some CCers bullying you (like you claim, but I wouldn’t agree with that as far as other CCers are concerned) gives you the right to bully Toni, who is pretty much an outsider eventhough he is in CC. (It’s not like people are thinking of Kiiyuka as a bully just because she’s in CX). There is also the difference in numbers. For a long time Toni was one person against a bunch of you.

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Let lithium and gry tell you what i am like when i am ACTUALLY insulting.


Unfortunately for you, what matters isn’t what you consider insulting, but what the other person considers insulting. The fact that you often flame even harder isn’t a very strong defense. The same thing goes for this sentence: “I avoided that hell and FT shit a lot more than other Cx-ers”. You might be less in the wrong than others, but that isn’t much of a defense either.

Too lazy, didn’t read / Conclusion
I might think you are wrong about some thing you mention, King, but I’ve definitely done enough things to you to owe you an apology. I am sorry for being mean to you and I promise that I’ll try my best to stop (though I can’t promise it’ll last forever if you keep getting yourself into this kind of heated discussions). It’s easier to ignore abuse when you’re the perpetrator, because you don’t realize the extent of it until you see it all lined up. That you’re a very provactive person does help to explain my actions, but it doesn’t excuse them. My bullying you (albeit not in the strictest sense of the word) does justify your trying to take revenge (however, seeking revenge isn’t really constructive) on me, criticizing me and bringing up old business, but it certainly doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to systematically be mean to Toni. Also, if you’re actually interested in resolving issues with people, you really should try to listen, at the very least to express yourself more clearly and to tone down your aggressive style. Occasionally you have done so to some degree, and I hope you notice that you get much more useful responses in those cases.

Please try to see the parallels (though there are obviously differences) between how I treat you and how Toni is treated by you and others (it really is hard for me to tell how much of it is by you and how much of it is by people associated with you) and maybe you will see the value of self-restraint (treating people better than you think they deserve), apologies, and... stuff. And lastly, be careful with [i]just a joke[i]’s, because they often aren’t so “just” on the other end.

Reply to moti who posted just before I was done
That’s a nice and honest post. I hope Toni will appreciate it for what it is.


(As always I am too tired to read through my posts after I’ve been writing for hours, so sorry if some things are still unclear).
Go to2013-03-11Toni in this discussion there are many references to motifs which depart from main theme. im not sure if its necessary.
a person likes some other person, then he loves another one, then he hates next one, and then any different one he can have deep in his ass. it is like that overall in the world and its all normal and everyone knows it. its a truth that bullying others is not appropriate and, yes, i admit that myself.
from my side it is like this: i personally dont go for toni. yes, i am one of main bellwethers of bullying or talking behind tonis back. no, i am not really nice (more or less softly said) to most jj2 players. i cannot change it much. i like to be rude to some of you. i dont know why - i just find it great, or i simply find some of you more or less idiotic and irritating that much that i cant behave right to you. however, im aware of some of my ugly acts which i commit to certain people. i see that the case went too far and my behaviour against toni is wrong and intemperate, also i exaggerated with stuff as [ft].
i personally would like to apologize you, toni, for hurting you. so i apologize. but i dont like you still.
Go to2013-03-11Toni I really would not like to take part in this, but since the other people here seem to be unable to settle things without getting called for RDS conspiracy or something, I have to try it myself.

King, I do not know about all of your incidents with Gry/other CC members in the past, but you once again bring up stuff that doesn't give you any justification to not feel sorry for what you have done. I have seen your very aggressive style of accusing people, most of the time your accusations seem rather questionable, like if you were always expecting someone to have something against you, so that you can accuse them 'in advance' about something what you think they are gonna do. Meanwhile you also seem to be very sensitive about when people accuse you of having done something wrong. You make a lot of noise about what you consider as insulting, and what you don't. And finally, you feel so insulted about this that you start considering the other people as aggressive as you are at that moment.

I ask you to calm down for once, and to think again why is this discussion/dispute still going on. I know you can do better at least. Or maybe you do realize that, but you still feel that you have the justification to hold your aggressive stance, because you consider yourself just defending against injustice. That is nothing more but a delusion, trust me.

As for all of the hatred people here, Toni never initiated with trying to stop his bullies. It was an initiation of admins, and we decided that your "joke" has been going on for too long, and you have gone too far, and we had to do something, since we never before really tried to limit the more subtle bullying that people sometimes do. So in that sense it is pointless to blame Toni for complaining to the admins about a "simple joke" that he would have taken too serious. Whatever he has said back to you was well provoked by you, although it is wrong from him to flame back as well. But whatever he has said or done that doesn't have anything to do with you, can't be considered as provocation to flame him. It needs nothing more but a bit of self-discipline.

Having said this from a 100% neutral point of view, I finally hope you realize that this thing should come to an end, and that it isn't a verbal clan war with the other "team" having admins on their side. It would be a good time to stop being overly sarcastic towards everything that seems to be clashing with your opinions even just a bit.

This post in short: Please behave!
Go to2013-03-11Toni Ah i see. Sorry se but people often post stuff while im writting, and im often busy for days dont get to catch this kind of stuff. Its still a shame CC's allowing it (toni writting idiots). Thanks for help anyways.
Go to2013-03-11Toni
King wrote:
Even in this thread toni used term "idiots" more than once and nothing was done about it.

Excuse me? Ever since the beginning of this discussion I kept removing the term whenever I considered it as referring to a specific person or a group of people (which is a condition that makes it qualify as a personal attack).
Go to2013-03-11Toni "You say why didn't I insult SR too? Well I did in beginning, but I realized it leads to nowhere. He was mastering ignoring, and I couldn't do anything, so I stopped it after short time. Then I decided to change identity."

I never said this. I said you care too much what others think of you if you find what slayer says insulting. Noone give much of a damn about his insulting.

"And don't try to make this CC (RDS?) vs CX war. It's YOUR TEAMMATES who started FT thing, it's YOU who started this thread, and it's YOU who is actually trying to make this look like CX vs CC (RDS??) war."

Bullshit

Anubis:i tried to complain to nerd as i've said. That had a lot of efect
Go to2013-03-11Toni You're just anxious to get the best out of me aren't you? Let lithium and gry tell you what i am like when i am ACTUALLY insulting. They have a bunch of my deleted posts. This is nothing. Bad joke? call it a bad joke, my clanmates had a good laugh of it, and personally i dont give a fucking damn what you say anymore. This was just a joke not an insulting attempt or anything. I would go a lot more far were my intentions were to insult. When it comes to joking it allso matters the person who's making it. If the person has bad "relationship" with the "victim" clearly it will end badly, i thought however that this would not be the case. Dont quite know what made you to get so offensive against me, can be just this little sentence. I avoided that hell and FT shit a lot more than other Cx-ers. And you still have the nerves to claim my intentions were to smite you. You dont wanna stop this drama? you wanna have a war? you want me to start ACTUALLY insulting? Drop this toni, i alrdy said i wont say anther thing about you. But if you decide to be a persistent nuisance then you're gonna have a really bad time. Dont pretend to be all mature, mature person would ignore this and simply let it go.
Go to2013-03-11Toni " it was very often that we were playing some random 3 vs 3's in zd's then suddenly a group of CC-ers would come. And when we finished the 3 vs 3 we found ourselves all kicked out of the server so CC can have its training"

Feel free to contact a Zeal admin about it in such cases. So far I, as an admin, have not received any complaints about "getting kicked so CC can have its training"..
Also, Grytolle is no longer a Zeal admin. I believe it's inappropriate to bring up power abuse cases of someone who realized their mistakes and voluntarily gave up their admin powers later.
As for trolling here on the forum, you can always report such posts to the admins and moderators, not all of which are CCers.
If you feel like CC are abusing their powers, try to do something about it when it happens rather than bringing it up during an argument about bullying.
And Toni is right, don't make this a war. You can't make generalizations about all of CC. Have I ever abused my powers in favour of CC? If so, please tell me emo
Go to2013-03-11Toni Alright, first, 'idiot / idiotic' isn't nothing in comparing with FT and all other insults by CX members, and former iR members. I don't see anyone did something IMPORTANT to them, so this makes no sense at all.

Talking about kicks from past, in this thread, makes no sense, too.

If I would want, I could sue some peoples for doing idiotic things, like /k while spectating, to a player who's playing. Like /forcespectate all on while there's a match going on, and lots of other commands like /r and /c, but no, I won't do it because it's so lame.

It happened to me a lot of times, when I find 4 players, including me, and we prepare for a match, and someone joins and unspectates. He takes our 10 minutes and someone has to go, and we don't even start a match.

You say why didn't I insult SR too? Well I did in beginning, but I realized it leads to nowhere. He was mastering ignoring, and I couldn't do anything, so I stopped it after short time. Then I decided to change identity.

And don't try to make this CC (RDS?) vs CX war. It's YOUR TEAMMATES who started FT thing, it's YOU who started this thread, and it's YOU who is actually trying to make this look like CX vs CC (RDS??) war.
Go to2013-03-11Toni Anubis, your attempt to reason is very much considered, thank you for that, but i've read all comments now(skipped veg cooba anu urbz and sean comments) and honestly too much stuff has been said so il say it all myself.

About hell clan. I was against that, i told ragnarok and moti to stop doing that (that really was bullying) however they didnt belive so, they truly believed there was no harm being done. Also they stopped after it was obviously clear it was just so. As for [f*ck toni], i did not ask them to stop doing that but i was a bit unsure what it was. i heard a lot of different versions about FT but they all lead to toni. Call it bullying call it insulting i dont mind(nor do i care,personally i dont find it worth crying). However...

... you guys have absolutely ZERO rights to talk about bullying. They way you were leading this forum was always unfair. I still remember a lot of kicks form grytolle for golden reasons. 1. Kicked out of ZA becuz i asked him t kick out succer for insulting me but got kicked instead with a message (noob) when i got back gry says "cant you take a joke king XD" 2.Again on za (well this wasnt a kick but its still shit way of acting) jjb was insulting becuz i "lagged" again i called grytolle and instead of kicking him he just started talking to him in german or whatever language. 3. playing in zd grytlle was my teammate he was w8ting for the seek pu in semi, came and shot it before he did (timing) and he kicks me off with a message "typo". 4. (wasnt a kick but a kill command sue me) Playing on semi again anubis and me vs chill and gry anubis kill chillax i score and kill grytolle while defending Grytolle: /k king.Normally i went to complain to nerd about it cuz i couldnt take it anymore, but he just told me "i cant do anything, idont have time to deal with those. Then there was that MS and his "he's acting like he pwns so much" which was a complete stupid thing to say and you guys had so much fun making fun of him which pretty much proves what cooba said "some people do such stupid things that they deserve to be mocked". About SR and him bullying you. You guys bullied him aswell as his teammates really.. i think every single player was flaming the crap out of him. If you were bothered by what slayer said then you care too much what people think of you. There was also that zd cleanup. it was very often that we were playing some random 3 vs 3's in zd's then suddenly a group of CC-ers would come. And when we finished the 3 vs 3 we found ourselves all kicked out of the server so CC can have its training. And okay i would have gotten over it if there werent for another free zd and a bullshit server called CC treninz which was ALWAYS empty.and in recent events there were a lot of SR posts of which it contained nothing else than to troll (pwn) someone and noone was doing anything about it. Becuz people who were trolled were ahmo motaz mourad iustyn and such (peple who weren t CC at that time and were newcomers) but nothing was than cuz they werent CC-ers. It seems like you're capable of making trolling jokes but when someone posts a single word about you ya all get defensive. Now i am expecting to hear some "yeah nice to post things about the past king", is it in the past?You talk about "talking behind someone's back" and yet say gry could you remind me who told sue "why dont you like playing with hakum, it cant be becuz he's an idiot, becuz i know you like playing with king XD" Even in this thread toni used term "idiots" more than once and nothing was done about it. If Cx wrote that about you the posts would certantly be deleted no equallity which was always there is what bothers me greatly and then you even have the nerves to call US a bully. The same rules never aplied to us. It was always like CC doing and saying whatever they felt like, but whenever we made a joke theyd get all offensive, put out old logs and turn into one giant drama.

Go to2013-03-11Toni ^ I meant on two things there - About King, AND talking behind my back (meant on the same people you said). Someone told me on skype "some players from CX are telling bullies in ZD, come there", but I didn't have time.

King wrote:
I am very much impressed that you still accuse me of randomly insulting you and talking behind your back(had no idea you're inactive, i dont pay attention to people going inactive). You are seriously starting to annoy me know. You just want the worst out of me i dont know what "lies" and "bad" was i talking about you.


Randomly saying something what you know could hurt me (what could be, and is insulting) while I was inactive and you didn't even know where am I as you said, isn't a funny joke. From my point of view, it's just trying to insult me even more now, and you drop the center of the arguing on me now. Don't be such a pathetic person. You are the one who started this. Even if you say you didn't want to do it, you did it. It isn't your first time to do such a stupid 'joke' as you call it. And to be clear, I was not the one who was in the beginning of this argue. I joined in middle of it, and now you accuse me that I still want to argue. No, I don't. Go the - off, and don't ever say a word to me. Don't write anything what is in connection with me. Thanks.

King wrote:
Like i said i just found it funny how you think pepper > fireball, i have NO ****ING IDEA WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND ALL OF ITS BULL****.STOP ****ING INCLUDING ME INTO THAT CRAP.


Won't discuss here about these guns, but calling someone's opinion 'funny' WHILE YOU PLAYED WITH THAT OVER 10 YEARS, is honestly, nothing just a bullshit. Let's get an example: FIFA is going to implement HAWK EYE system in football, like it's in tennis. So refs could see on monitor was the ball in or out of the bounds. Some players and former players find it ridiculous, including Rooney, Inzaghi, Figo, Iniesta, Vidic, Kolarov... but they weren't ridiculed by crowd.

King wrote:
great "you're not welcome here" cant w8 for you to spit on me behind my back and please do equal this to my "talking behind toni's back by commenting on a public ladder"


If you were talking to me, and I hope you didn't, I can guarantee I won't do anything like that. I'm not such a pig.
Go to2013-03-11Toni "About King and talking behind my backs: yes, even Anubis proved that what someone told me."

I have not seen King talk behind your back, and none of my posts says anything like that about him actually.
The only thing I've seen him say about you is the pepper joke. I'm sorry if any of my posts led to a misunderstanding.
Here are the places where I was referring to talking behind your back:

"I am referring to at least 2 CX members who are NOT cooba or king"
"A majority of CX has talked about Toni on JJ2 behind his back"
"And I was not referring to King as one of these people, but 3 other people from your clan instead."

Sorry for posting again but I just wanted to clarify this.
Go to2013-03-11Toni oops, forgot to move the thread

emo
Go to2013-03-10Toni You know that means only admins can see the thread, right?

It will get moved to a public forum soon, I guess.

EDIT: There you go.
Go to2013-03-10Toni great "you're not welcome here" cant w8 for you to spit on me behind my back and please do equal this to my "talking behind toni's back by commenting on a public ladder"
Go to2013-03-10Toni eh ms's got a point but i still have to write the following.

I am very much impressed that you still accuse me of randomly insulting you and talking behind your back(had no idea you're inactive, i dont pay attention to people going inactive). You are seriously starting to annoy me know. You just want the worst out of me i dont know what "lies" and "bad" was i talking about you. Like i said i just found it funny how you think pepper > fireball, i have NO ****ING IDEA WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND ALL OF ITS BULL****.STOP ****ING INCLUDING ME INTO THAT CRAP. silwi - when you're being as at red its a lot better to be in the middle of the lower slide and defend with bnc down + seeks up, if you defend with pepper there you're bound to get pwnt by bouncers from up or seekers from down. If you're blue i prefer to be s at base with seekers shooting up so i can dodge the upcoming bnc, and if someone tries to sneak from down i will see him way before he manages to get to me. In disto and JE RF > pepper in nearly 100% (never ever seen people use pepper unless they accidentally picked it and weapon auto switch did its job).Whatever call it insulting call it bullying i dont really give a **** anymore. From further on if you deicde to continue this then you're just asking to be insulted, becuz i fail to see what the **** do you even want. You gonna force me to make my clanmates change their opinion about you?Personally if they really have such thoughts about you well im starting to think theyr hella right.
Go to2013-03-10Toni I hope that everyone will prove their maturity by not commenting anything on this match anymore that has nothing to do with the game itself. If so, the admins should feel responsible to delete it. There is no reason to publicly insult or fight with people. You're embarassing yourselves more than you think. I can know it, as I've been in multiple situations like this myself.
If you feel like you have something to settle with someone, consider doing it in private conversations on MSN or Skype instead.
In future discussions, try to consider whether your comment is disrespectful to someone, regardless of whether you like them or not. This is most important, winning the dicussion is not.
Go to2013-03-10Toni While all this talk of events from 4 years ago is lovely and all, I can't say I was there to witness or even care about all of it, what I'm more concerned with is the behavior of the users in the present. What REALLY interests me is how, cooba, you can't come up with a single comment longer than 3 lines that says anything more substantial than "I ate a pizza today" while all your opponents are able to apply actual reason and logic to the argument, and the best thing you can come up with in response is an additional "but the pizza had cheese".

Let's go in chronological order, starting with "people doing stuff so retarded that they deserve to be trolled", where you are basically ADMITTING to participating in the posting of inflammatory comments towards Toni, and we'll move on from there, to your weak attempts at justifying these actions.

cooba wrote:
"the smartest" [needs to be replaced] with "the one that makes me look like an insecure smartass"


I fail to see ANY logic in this argument at all, it is a simple attempt at rephrasing a previous statement in a way that would make you seem like the smart one in an argument where you have no ground to stand on, even though no new points have been made. This isn't the first time you've done this either, and if you decide you want me to I can go scouring the archives for other instances of this tactic and then methodically prove why each use of it was invalid.

cooba wrote:
1. CX didn't exist in 2010
2. No, people absolutely need to be called out on stuff like:
- threatening to kill people over making cheat tools
- being so desperate for peer approval that low reputation on a forum gives them mental breakdowns
- trying to lie to people with a made up "cool 8) 8) 8)" identity while they only ones they're fooling are themselves


It seems to me like when you say CX didn't exist in 2010, you're nitpicking because the people currently in CX were very much active and around during that time. As for your other 'point', cheat tools are in themselves a very polarizing topic and for someone to decide to use hyperbole to explain why they think something was wrong would not be uncommon at all. Toni's low reputation on JCF is, first of all, completely irrelevant to the topic as it's a separate community altogether, and second of all, completely irrelevant to the topic in that it barely even constitutes a representation of someone's integrity as a human being. Mental breakdowns are nothing but your ridiculous attempt at rephrasing previous events and statements yet again. As for your last 'argument', you didn't even make a POINT there. All I heard is you attempting to phrase a decision to play a game with a new identity as both an immature stupid kid decision and an attempt at self-deception, neither of which constitute a sound argument, in the context of this argument or even at all.

And please don't do such ridiculous nitpicking when you'll go back on your word not much more than an hour later saying things like "If you decided to talk semantics ... that settles it as far as I can tell."

cooba wrote:
Of course a CC member would say that.


So instead of attempting to soundly refute an opponent's argument again you resort to cheap tactics, in this case calling bias. I don't think I need to say much more when the fact that calling bias was all you could do speaks for itself.

At the very LEAST provide reasons for possible bias.

cooba wrote:
"Someone has created a cheating tool in 2010. A young player (let's say 15 years old) says he deserve to die."

Try 2012 and 17...

Urbs, I spent six months testing and helping implementing the new JJ2+ features, I have a moral right to consider misguided opinions on it invalid.


I think it's better for me to quote Anubis (later) here, "You have a moral right to consider anything you want. You can consider the moon as a round piece of cheese, as long as you don't bother other people with it. But when you bully people for their opinion, it's more than just "considering an opinion invalid", it's more like "throwing their opinion back in their face". A mature person would try to prove them wrong about their misguided opinion instead."

What I really consider twisted about the argument you tried to put forward is that you would attempt to bully people into believing you hold the high ground because you are "a specialist on the subject" instead of providing actual counter-arguments. And, of course, that you would use this as justification for out-and-out flaming.

The last thing you have here is simply your comment on semantics and moral rights and whatnot. I wanted to sarcastically point out a spelling flaw a- oh wait!

cooba wrote:
while they only ones they're fooling


You spelt 'the' wrong! Pssh, don't you just hate pedantic shitheads who nitpick about tiny little things to undermine your main argument?
Go to2013-03-10Toni I am really thankful to Vegito, Urbs, and especially Anubis for 'defending' me, even if I didn't want their help this time. In before, they just tried to help me somehow, but not like this time. I will repay you one day for this.

As for Anubis' comments, I would write really the same comments as he did, but in much more sentences. He made it clear and not long for reading. Like he's my lawyer, haha. Even better I wasn't online when this all conversation happened after my last post.

About Portugal thing: Anubis said it right. I got trolled by Fox, SR, Robee, and iR back then, for no reason. Or no, there was a reason... I was wearing nick with charmap letters and it was colored. I joined CC and they were shooting at me because of that. I couldn't resist anymore and I decided to go inactive for some months and change identity. Since I lived in Portugal, I decided to act like I am living in Portugal and told that to my clan leaders. They all understood me, and tried to help me, except that traitor who you mentioned cooba. What could I do? They were trolling me, I couldn't ignore them anymore, and I did the smartest thing. Except I didn't know it will be something what I will be arguing with random idiots after 5 years. Yes, that happened in 2008-2009. I don't even remember.

About 2010 thing, when I was 15years old child, well, BigJazz was there, and lots of other cheats WHAT I HAD HANDS ON FOR LIKE 1minute. I could give you the source code in VB for another HELPFUL cheat, but, because of your stupid comments, I won't help you. I will let the others cheat against you.

About 2012 thing? Can't remember what happened there and what was Anubis referring to, but I think he was referring to 2010 and the upper described situation.

As for 2012 and 2013 pepper and FT thing, it's long story, but let me say. I appreciate the new plus and it's changes. I like new gun, but still, I stand behind my opinion. Pepper is more useful than that fireball. The main thing is about JJ.net rule, and how it was choosen and about you making fun of me. I just wanted to tell that pepper is more useful than fireball in some (95%) of situations. Fireball acts like blaster, and it's useless to have 2 blasters. Pepper can shoot in all directions, and that's useful in lots of levels, especially SILWI, distopia and JE. But no, after I said it, I got trolled by 'The God of JJ2'. I just wonder what has moti did, and why is she picked to decide such a big change in this system? I will quote me again. 'Changing things doesn't mean they get better'.

About King and talking behing my backs: yes, even Anubis proved that what someone told me. You, and your clan was talking lots of crap and lies behind my backs. I never saw you talk nice to anyone. You always wanted to troll someone and to make fun of him/her. Why would I think you wanted to just make a joke on a public ladder, and not to troll me? Maybe because (like Anubis said) it was irony to troll me while I was inactive, and you wanted my attention, so 'why not post on public and toll him, yaaaa! hes gonna notice yey'. Lame.

I will please admins not to delete posts. If you consider this being spam, move it to forums. I would do it, but I have no rights.

EDIT: cooba, [-] I can't believe what you did. Oh dear God. [-] Fine, I accept the war you started. [-]
[PA and threats removed. Don't do that. ~SE]
Go to2013-03-09Toni zamknIJ JAPE ZJEBIE XDXDXDX
Go to2013-03-09Toni What Urbs and Anubis said.
Go to2013-03-09Toni right back at you gry

wow i guess it wasnt my last post here.

As for toni. my personal opinion about him is well nothing special. i just found it a bit stupid that he thinks pepper > fireball, but i hold no resentment or grudge against him for it, its just silly from my point of view(it was however a bit silly to post it even tho a long time passed since the pepper fireball switch). I am allowed to have my own opinion just as much as he's allowed to have his about the pepper/fireball. i saw FT stuff going on still however but i had no idea it was this serious. Also that portugal thing. Thats what happened a year ago? (one of this "bad" things you allegedly did) i remember that and see no reason to hate you for it lol.
Go to2013-03-09Toni First of all, thank you for your reply, King. I appreciate your efforts in trying to settle this. Unlike other people who believe that only their opinion is right and all has been settled. I hope I will be forgiven for posting a lame meme, but this is one of my favourite quotes and I just can't resist trolling:

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/arguing-with-retards.jpg

"This is an obvious Cx vs rds war"

A majority of CX has talked about Toni on JJ2 behind his back (besides just wearing the FT tag). Which is also why your joke wasn't found funny, but was taken seriously instead and the whole issue escalated quickly. It has nothing to do with your comment, you are right about that. It's more about the general attitude of CX members towards certain people that also makes it inappropriate for you to make such jokes.

Of course, you can feel free to keep believing that it's a war between the two alliances. I won't try to refute you about it anymore, as I have my own conspiracy theory which I already posted, and you've got yours.

Suppose I believe you that you only wanted to make a joke and had no intentions of trolling (though it looked like obvious bullying). I still can't say the same about your other clanmates. In case anyone is wondering why I keep mentioning others, I've seen them say stuff about Toni on ZD, like that he's a bad person etc. And I was not referring to King as one of these people, but 3 other people from your clan instead. I'm sorry if you took any of my comments personally.

I believe you that you had no intentions of bullying, and you were probably the only CX member who didn't know what FT stands for and were just playing along. You might as well be one of the few good people here.
Go to2013-03-09Toni "Grytolle kindly made fun of it but instead of bursting out of rage i decided to ignore it in hopes this would end alrdy"

No, I would seriously appreciate if you stopped posting completely. No joke.
Go to2013-03-09Toni Why is this still going on. With my last comment i wanted to end this. Grytolle kindly made fun of it but instead of bursting out of rage i decided to ignore it in hopes this would end alrdy. And yet it is continued. I told you i am not going hurt toni's feelings again or "bully" him(nice exaggeration).This is the same crap with veg "scoring on cto opportunities" it was a simple joke which you guys took way too seriously, but after the fight i simply decided not so speak to him at all and it was working out quite fine. Toni it was a public comment on a public ladder. i was really not talking behind your back (lol). Veg its way too late to say "il stay out of this".

And honestly (i really want you to read this all of you) This is an obvious Cx vs rds war, dont pretend like it isnt i bet even people like slayer would understand whats happening, it has absolutely nothing to do with the comment anymore, you're just looking for a way to smite the other. Take another look at the comment i made and answer me was it really worth that much drama?Really one final time i had no intentions of "bullying" (nice cr*p) toni, but you guys saw i was the one who posted it and went like (ahhh lets make it look like king hates the world life and everything thats breathing), or maybe MAYBE (highly doubt it) you really belived i was insulting (even tho i told you 235657865879 times i was not but thanks for listening). Usually after doing something wrong people would apologize but after all this you can expect nothing from me(if your alrdy havent).
This is going to be my final comment (and overall hopefully) and my opinion is that you simply forget about this. i simply wont speak to you at all and thats that.
Go to2013-03-09Toni You did not try to refute some of mine and Urbs' points either, that's why I did not bother to discuss anything other than semantics this time.

I appreciate your sarcastic provocation that all is settled as far as you can tell. Seems that you want to continue the discussion.

You have a moral right to consider anything you want. You can consider the moon as a round piece of cheese, as long as you don't bother other people with it. But when you bully people for their opinion, it's more than just "considering an opinion invalid", it's more like "throwing their opinion back in their face". A mature person would try to prove them wrong about their misguided opinion instead.
Go to2013-03-09Toni If you decided to talk semantics instead of trying to refute my right then that means I do have a moral right and that settles it as far as I can tell. emo
Go to2013-03-09Toni "I have a moral right to consider misguided opinions on it invalid."

"If you describe an opinion or plan as misguided, you are critical of it because you think it is based on an incorrect idea." (definition from the dictionary)

Being critical of something is not the same as considering it completely invalid. And you only "think" it is based on an incorrect idea, but for someone else it might not be an incorrect idea. Nevertheless, a misguided opinion is nothing to be bullied about.
If you want to prove us wrong, feel free to search for other definitions in dictionaries that could help you. I'm curious if that would actually work out, as I've never participated in such a dictionary duel before emo
Go to2013-03-09Toni Which still leaves my point standing emo

Either way, I'll stay out of this
Go to2013-03-09Toni Sure you do.

But there is no need for such a member of the community as yourself to condone trolling.

At least not to such a high degree.

And mind you, the vote for the new weapons was totally rigged with the moti vote anyway so even tho I like the new weapon I'm not too fond of the process by which we got it.
Go to2013-03-09Toni http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-cobuild/misguided%20opinion
Go to2013-03-09Toni Wrong cooba, there are no "misguided opinions" cause it's an opinion. Or do I have to show you the meaning of 'opinion' cause apparently you don't understand?
Never mind 'allowing yourself' to bully the person who you believe has a misguided opinion. That's just the weirdest logic I've seen in my life yet.
Go to2013-03-09Toni Thanks for correcting me, I don't remember when this happened, so I thought you were talking about BigJazz or something.

Replace it in my post with the following, which is also the first thing you brought up, and my point still stands:
" - trying to lie to people with a made up "cool emo emo emo" identity while they only ones they're fooling are themselves "
Go to2013-03-09Toni "Someone has created a cheating tool in 2010. A young player (let's say 15 years old) says he deserve to die."

Try 2012 and 17...

Urbs, I spent six months testing and helping implementing the new JJ2+ features, I have a moral right to consider misguided opinions on it invalid. emo
Go to2013-03-09Toni OK, I should probably explain myself, so that no one thinks I'm only defending him because he's in CC. Imagine the following scenario:

Someone has created a cheating tool in 2010. A young player (let's say 15 years old) says he deserve to die. You decide to bring the issue up again in 2013 by using a clantag dedicated to trolling that player (I'm referring to FT).

It's a smart plan - you and your friends want to do everything possible to piss the player off. Ironically, while some of you are saying crap about him on JJ2 (I mean more than just wearing the FT tag, and by "some of you", I am referring to at least 2 CX members who are NOT cooba or king, were not active in 2010, and probably barely know him), he isn't even active. So you try a different approach: trolling him with comments on jj.net (mocking his opinion about a weapon in the game etc). JJ.net is a place where he is more likely to see your provokations and reply.

And when you finally get the desired reaction from him, you bring up what he said or did in 2010. I think everyone would agree that he didn't do anything that shouldn't be forgiven 3 years later.

The player in question is 18 years old now, and for sure a lot more mature than he was in 2010 (a 15 year old frustrated in a computer game, that's actually quite normal).

For sure you were not expecting an apology from him for his past actions. You were just bullying him for fun. And you are old enough to be more mature than that, but you want to keep living in your "harsh world" that Vegito mentioned.

To sum it up, this was my conspiracy theory about the situation, feel free to try to prove me wrong.
Go to2013-03-09Toni Well we could go way back in time and I'm sure we could dig up a lot of corpses. That's completely fine by me.

But we could look at the current events.

When jj2+ came out people made some really mean comments against anybody and everybody who didn't agree with their OPINION. Toni disliked the new weapons and y'all had to go bat**** crazy on him.

The new gun is a nice addition in my opinion, but that's irrelevant. As for this definition of "victims": "people doing stuff so retarded that they deserve to be trolled". Well, it shows a lot about the hateful nature of the person writing this comment. Because when it comes to matters of taste, there can be no disputes.
(De gustibus non est disputandum)

Nobody can put their preferences above another and nobody is therefore allowed to be "trolled" because of his/her preferences. And most definitely one shouldn't be trolled on a permanent basis.

The reason why some of us are a bit pissed off is because this wasn't the 1st time. Some people in this community find something childish (here I take the views of Mr. Cooba on "victims" ) to be incredibly funny and then they pursue this joke no matter what (and by no matter what I mean no matter who it might hurt). Indeed the victims of mental retardation (what was so funny about [Hell]?) feel a need to act out, to be noticed by the world and they change the paradigm of victim-bully on its head. The universe victimized them by not endowing them with brains and they in turn victimize others with their lacklustre attempts at comedy which turns into a tragedy.

Or to put it simply, these simple-minded douchebags (as per the methodology of Mr.Cooba whereby calling other people names is counted as sound argumentation) make fun of others to make themselves feel better. And it works online because they don't get punched in the face. So they hide behind their screens and they troll. And they find excuses why trolling isn't bad.

They even get people who normally wouldn't have done this (like King) involved.

And then they cross the line and piss the rest of the community off.

Once that happens they try to deflect blame by shrugging it off (it didn't happen, you're being too sensitive about it etc.) or by deflecting attention to other matters (usually some past incidents of a similar nature). Because it's all right to troll if others have done it in the past, am I right?

Of course one can try and reason with these people, but there's no reasoning with them.

They will see a grand conspiracy against them and they will be even more convinced that the world is out to get them, so their response will be to troll even more.

Because like a bad comedian, they just don't know when to stop.

Go to2013-03-09Toni Of course a CC member would say that. emo
Go to2013-03-09Toni "If you look for some bull****s from over 4 years, then you're retarded." quoted from Toni.

And now you're bringing back events from 2010 that nobody cares about or remembers anymore.
Go to2013-03-09Toni 1. CX didn't exist in 2010
2. No, people absolutely need to be called out on stuff like:
- threatening to kill people over making cheat tools
- being so desperate for peer approval that low reputation on a forum gives them mental breakdowns
- trying to lie to people with a made up "cool emo emo emo" identity while they only ones they're fooling are themselves
Go to2013-03-09Toni No. "a small group" needs to be replaced with "some people of cx" and besides, nobody deserves to be trolled/bullied except in your harsh world.
Go to2013-03-09Toni I basically agree, except "a small group" needs to be replaced with "about 25 people", "victims" with "people doing stuff so retarded that they deserve to be trolled", and "the smartest" with "the one that makes me look like an insecure smartass".
Go to2013-03-09Toni RZARTOWALAM W TAKIM RAZIE,,,,,,.,.
Go to2013-03-09Toni With a community like this, where a small bunch of people are just searching for victims to troll and act innocent after that (if you disagree with this, you are either one of those trolls or you are defending them because you're friends/clanmates), I would also consider changing my nickname and pretending to be a new player from another country for a while. In fact I'd do that if I wasn't a server admin. There are 3 ways to deal with trolls: fight back, ignore them, or switch to another identity. The last way is probably the smartest.
Go to2013-03-09Toni I see. Then it surely couldn't have been you who pretended to be from Portugal, but couldn't say anything to Mav who tried to talk Portuguese to him/her. I heard they joined CC later on and Chiyu didn't want anybody to know that the person was Serbian.

Right Mav?
Go to2013-03-09Toni You seem to be deaf or blind. Or you're just cooba. I told you a lot of times - I lived in Portugal for 2 and a half years when I was born.
Go to2013-03-09Toni Mav, could you be so nice and remind me who was that "trying to talk Portuguese" story about? Because I forgot. emo
Go to2013-03-09Toni Yeah King, it hurts me. First, don't talk behind my back when I am inactive. It's sissy. Second, pepper is more useful than fire****, you all know that. Changing things doesn't mean they get better. So ****ing true.

By the way, I warn you (not King, but the most idiotic person here), stop acting like an idiot. You're not an idiot, but you look like that. I have something, and if I say it in public, it won't be good for you. I am just not that big idiot to spread that everywhere, and to report you to admins. Be nice or beware. I don't insult you, you started and I will be ignoring you from now on, just like I did until now. Had to tell you that.
Go to2013-03-09Toni I sincerely hope the EU politics don't go this way....
Go to2013-03-09Toni mav this wholeeeeee convo is precisely about that. you're quite special arent you?
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