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     Admins and democracy! | [q] 2011-07-11 16:24
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Your ideas about new/old admins,voting systems and kick list go here.


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Grytolle
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#1 | [q]2011-07-11 16:39
Actually, 3 different threads would be better *annoying* emo
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#2 | [q]2011-07-11 17:36
Proper reasons (for kick)
-cycling level without asking, when starting to play
KiMO
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#3 | [q]2011-07-11 18:11
ok, my questions for Jake:

what have u actually done right to this community since u were chosen a trustee? u must have ur own achievements, as every other admin has at least one.
why do u think u deserved and still deserve to be a trustee?
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#4 | [q]2011-07-11 18:18
my opinion: we don't have to choose admins ourselves (as gry stated in the previous thread, it would just not work), the admin 'council' can vote for one and we can DECIDE if we want him to represent us or not. also, after he was chosen an admin (like 2-3 months later), we should be let to vote again and see if the new admin is still doing the good job as he did in the past. if he's voted off, all the rights will be taken away and admins will try to make a smarter decision next time. do u like this idea??

if u dont like it, admins could just do some preselections for like 32 ppl who sign up.

i know this is pretty complicated, but being an admin imo doesn't only mean to kick/ban and take unexpected decisions on any time. being an admin is a responsibility.
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#5 | [q]2011-07-11 18:48
Yes i love this idea emo
Lithium
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#6 | [q]2011-07-11 20:08
I think we should try both emo


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#7 | [q]2011-07-11 20:16
do u realise that all listen us but no1 makes any changes?
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#8 | [q]2011-07-11 20:16
You probably should ask DZ why I'm a trustee at Zeals, he should know the answer completely emo
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#9 | [q]2011-07-11 20:20
I wonder emo

BTW Iustyn,now we have Grytolle supporting us,so something will happen.


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#10 | [q]2011-07-11 21:02
Alright,three possibilities for now:

1. The "admin council" picks candidates and we decide if we want them.

2. People apply for admins and the admins with help of the other people choose.

3. Every clan gets an admin (not likely).


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#11 | [q]2011-07-11 21:45
yay im glad u guys like my new ideas =]
KiMO
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#12 | [q]2011-07-11 21:46
no jake, i'm asking u. i could ask DZ in the first place if he forced you to be a trustee, but u got the job with all the pleasure instead. if ure afraid of the answer it's ok, but that's surely not a good sign especially for an admin. don't tell me im not rightemo
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#13 | [q]2011-07-11 23:34
I'd prefer the possibility #2.
And KiMo, it might be that I've been friends with DZ for a long time, and he has learnt that I am worthy of Trustee. (Ok, I made something up. Go ask DZ if in doubt.)
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#14 | [q]2011-07-11 23:46
only considering the ideas mentioned so far, we could combine them like this or sth:

1) Clans submit admin ideas (and perhaps a list of people they really don't want to be admin - you dont need to list artem and murat emo )
2) DZ removes everyone he wouldn't want to be trustee (and/or an admin discussion, depending on his wishes ofc)
3) Everyone can vote y/n on the rest (preferably public votes to make it clear that no cheating is going on)
(4) evaluation vote l8r)

Imo this is a good mix of "DZ decides about his property" and democracy, but in the end it's ofc all up to him
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#15 | [q]2011-07-11 23:51
Also, it isn't weird that DZ makes NFers trustee... Jake is part of NF's loyal core, so of course DZ trusts him. In my opinion you should cut Jake some slack - it's his first mistake afaik. And Jake should apologize to Kimo. And that's the end of it. GG no re
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#16 | [q]2011-07-12 00:28
I like Grytolle's idea. Can we get DanZeal to tell his opinion on the options?


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#17 | [q]2011-07-12 01:12
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it's his first mistake afaik.

Hmm, if banning a faker who uses a hated player's identity to flame admins a mistake, I believe I have done much worse stuff.
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#18 | [q]2011-07-12 01:13
'hated player',gg


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#19 | [q]2011-07-12 01:18
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Hmm, if banning a faker who uses a hated player's identity to flame admins a mistake, I believe I have done much worse stuff.
Your apology doesn't need to be sincere emo
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#20 | [q]2011-07-12 01:31
Problem solved for now. Crew list
I will take everything into consideration, and maybe there will be trustees again in a week or two. Or maybe I will stop shovel money and time into this project. Well, i'm glad to have atleast a few sponsors. Thanks Vegito and almost forgot, Shaker.


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#21 | [q]2011-07-12 01:35
I could sponsor you as well if you've got Paypal. I made an account there recently when I turned 18 so it would be possible for me to send money now. (Should have occured to me earlier even). It would be useful if there was a page for donating money on this site, that could motivate people.
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#22 | [q]2011-07-12 02:16
I guess I saw this coming.
KiMO
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#23 | [q]2011-07-12 08:19
haha, that's not the best option DZ could take but I guess until the things get more clear they have to stay like this.
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#24 | [q]2011-07-12 10:19
wtf lol

That was a bit strange,but it's the way to solving this,I guess.


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cooba
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#25 | [q]2011-07-12 11:32
I'd gladly donate to keep the Zeal network alive, but I don't think becoming a trustee should have a price...


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