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     Kick/ban list | [q] 2011-07-14 12:41
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Post your kick/ban list suggestions here.

So far we got a few:

No bans unless someone is cheating or keeps insulting. A kick would do. -TW's idea.
Kicks and bans for personal reasons are not allowed.

Suggest more or try improving the existing ones.


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#1 | [q]2011-07-14 12:47
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Kicks and bans for personal reasons are not allowed.

Better might be something like:
Valid kick (and ban) reasons are limited to disturbing behaviour (which will need more extensive discussion), command abuse and cheating (which is a special case to be discussed for ZR).

"Personal reasons" isn't a workable term, because it is definitely OK to kick a player off who you personally dislike whenever he misbehaves

Bans should be used if a kick didn't do the trick, and admins should use a short timelimit (an hour or something, depending on the purpose of the ban) in most instances
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#2 | [q]2011-07-14 12:50
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Bans should be used if a kick didn't do the trick, and admins should use a short timelimit (an hour or something, depending on the purpose of the ban) in most instances


Yes. Instead of banning a player for one day and then unbanning him 20 minutes later,a 20 minute ban should be used


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#3 | [q]2011-07-14 13:24
also, a BAN for 3 days is enough for someone who's been faking. emo
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#4 | [q]2011-07-14 14:04
Alright so we should add this:
Use ban only if kick did not help.
If an admin has to ban a certain player for a short amount of time,he should use the exact time instead of banning for a day or more.








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#5 | [q]2011-07-14 15:09
Yes, in most cases a short ban would suffice. Longer bans should be reserved for repeated offenders (which have then been discussed under the ZD trustees anyway), which could be kept in a list.

We were planning to make some kind of "crime register" back when SR was doing bad stuff all the time (both for ZD and for JJnet), but the matter became a lot less urgent somehow :p
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#6 | [q]2011-07-14 20:30
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it is definitely OK to kick a player off who you personally dislike whenever he misbehaves

Um, what? Absolutely not.


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#7 | [q]2011-07-14 20:38
I think Gry meant that you shouldn't hold back when somebody who falls under both of these 2 categories:
a) he misbehaves, being the only valid criterion for a bann/kick
b) you hate him for some reason. Not being a kickworthy criterion by itself, but should also not be a criterion stopping you from a kick.

You know how teachers like some pupils more than others? And they are conscious of this fact. Then sometimes, because they know they're biased, they might try to rectify this by actually being nicer to the kid they don't like as much, so it wouldn't seem like they're biased and so that all the kids get the same treatment. Sometimes what happens is that the kidd might actually end up getting preferential treatment.

Imagine being faced with SR in a server. Imagine you dislike him. You might not kick him the moment he deserves it just to not start a big fight or something.

But if you were to go by the rules, you shoudln't hesitate, is what Gry is saying I think. Or what I understand under what he says anywayemo

If I'm wrong, then Cooba's response is correctemo
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#8 | [q]2011-07-14 21:12
Imagine that you deserve to being banned urbs
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#9 | [q]2011-07-14 21:21
Hi SR!


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#10 | [q]2011-07-14 22:23
Sorry SR, but ur the superstar so I used your nameemo
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#11 | [q]2011-07-14 22:53
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I think Gry meant that you shouldn't hold back when somebody who falls under both of these 2 categories:
a) he misbehaves, being the only valid criterion for a bann/kick
b) you hate him for some reason. Not being a kickworthy criterion by itself, but should also not be a criterion stopping you from a kick.

You know how teachers like some pupils more than others? And they are conscious of this fact. Then sometimes, because they know they're biased, they might try to rectify this by actually being nicer to the kid they don't like as much, so it wouldn't seem like they're biased and so that all the kids get the same treatment. Sometimes what happens is that the kidd might actually end up getting preferential treatment.

Imagine being faced with SR in a server. Imagine you dislike him. You might not kick him the moment he deserves it just to not start a big fight or something.

But if you were to go by the rules, you shoudln't hesitate, is what Gry is saying I think. Or what I understand under what he says anywayemo

If I'm wrong, then Cooba's response is correctemo

That's what I meant. emo