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Should a 1on1 ladder be set up?
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Iustyn
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2012-11-02 12:37 
its funny that if this duel ladder season will be made we will start from the begining.in the start,all the ppl will try to train in duels,learn the maps and be as active as posibble and then after time not a single person will play a duel for that ladder season,saying is a competition for nolifers who plays 24/7 just like its the ladder season atm XD.if u want this to work,u might think days and days at a perfect rules system else this will be a huge fail.
wKtK
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2012-10-31 00:43 
We (read: gry) will think up something emo
Lithium
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2012-10-30 17:37 
How would it work, then? It would require changes to that site area since you can't list all the players in the same manner you list clans now.
Grytolle
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2012-10-30 17:34 
I might be misreading you, Sean, but: it wouldn't be clan based
Zoro
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2012-10-30 14:31 
I agree. And if players know basics of both playstyles, they won't become worse in team-playing, nor in dueling. emo
wKtK
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2012-10-30 13:40 
Sean's TL;DR: Playing a lot of 1vs1 matches will cause players to grow too independent, causing their team-play to worsen.

^So, should RDS just forbid ppl from playing battle? It causes you to focus more on killing everyone, and less on surviving or tactics.

We shouldn't refuse an extra ladder option just because some individuals find it hard to remember more than 1 strategy/playstyle, IMHO.
Sean
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2012-10-30 05:05 
Some time ago I voted on this poll saying no, and only now I think I'll expand on why I think 1v1 ladders shouldn't be set up. (next I'm going to point out a few things that don't seem to be connected but bear with me)

Duels encourage a VERY independent playstyle, in which you have to go out and do things yourself, take the initiative, stop guarding the carrot when your enemy is 1 because both of you are playing a waiting game and instead seek out that son of a ***** and kill him. Most players are either team players or independent thinkers, and it is VERY hard to switch between the two styles of play easily (I know only recently I've lessened my independent playstyle). In team games, the fact that you have to rely on your teammate (easily a lot more than in other games, rivaled possibly only by Left 4 Dead emo) means that the chances of a clan staying together for a long period of time depends on how much you TRUST your clanmates, to go S when you're 1 but they tell you to do so anyway, to take a risky route through to the carrot because they assure you it's safe, to do ANYTHING that they tell you to do that you wouldn't ordinarily do unless you place faith in their assessment of the situation.

Dueling is the exact opposite mentality. Everything is up to YOU. You CANNOT depend on anyone else because, well, there IS no-one else to depend on. YOU go out and make the kill, YOU take the risk to shoot the carrot down, YOU run for the powerups when you don't know where your enemy is. The duelist mentality only rarely allows you to place your trust in your teammates.

Imagine this scenario if you will. A player from the fictional clan Fictional Clan [FC] decides to play in the 1v1 ladder for a bit. He plays, he scores points, he wins games, etc etc. Then he decides he's bored of duels already and he comes back to the team ladder. They fight against a Much Worse Clan [MWC] in a ladder, but because Duelist[FC] has been playing duels for a long time, every time Teammate[FC] tells him to stay S, he starts making decisions on his own and heads off for some pointless ammo far off from the base. [MWC] Flagholder is killed, but Duelist[FC] far away. He tries to rush back to base, but he's already too far to make the score and [MWC] OtherPlayer recaptures the flag.

That's one missed score, right? Now imagine that happening ten more times in the same match. http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1340/22/1340222512868.gif

The next map comes ([MWC]'s pick is Distopia because I find this happens on Distopia a lot). Teammate[FC] is the flagholder and currently is 1, and he tells Duelist[FC] to get R. First Duelist[FC] goes R, but then decides he needs ammo and heads off to the seeker power-up. He takes it, and he starts going back, but in the 10 seconds it took to move back, kick the PU, and come back, Teammate[FC] has died and [MWC] Flagholder has moved to the base and scored. Also VERY annoying, then it happens another 5 times (revisit previous GIF) and in the end the Much Worse Clan has won the ladder match by close to 10 points.

So [FC] is like yeah whatever, it happens, but then lots more matches like this happen and eventually Clanleader[FC] gets pissed because Duelist[FC] hasn't been playing properly. They end up arguing, Duelist[FC] ragequits the clan, and the whole cycle starts again.

Obviously this is the worst case scenario, but I've seen much weirder things happen here in JJ2.
King
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2012-10-19 20:51 
didn't read all of it. Sorry for misunderstanding.
MasterSven
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2012-10-19 20:29 
It wont be on the same ladder.

Edited: 2012-10-19 20:29 by MasterSven
Krzysiek
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2012-10-19 20:28 
maybe 1v1 clan duels tournament?
King
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2012-10-19 19:18 
As most people know i hate duels, find them quite retarded. However im not objecting to this tho, i dont really give a damn if someone wants a 1 vs 1 ladder, im sure i wont play them. One drawback however is that reaching 200 pts will be quite easy so u might think some things trough.
DanZeal
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2012-10-19 13:44 
Ehm, the idea is to NOT having it based on clans.

And about servers being full. There could always be hosted more servers if needed.
cooba
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2012-10-19 09:23 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLMF7p8hO7A
KRSplat
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2012-10-19 07:12 
really you want someone to win 100 teamgames and on top of that 100 duels? XD
Zoro
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2012-10-19 03:57 
Agreed with the idea emo
Kyro
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2012-10-19 01:06 
talking about us?xD
MasterSven
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2012-10-19 01:01 
It would be possible, as there are enough duel servers. Due to logs, no referees are needed.
However, we should consider if we want to give up the last common played CTF gametype which is mostly only about fun and honour. Lets not forget the impact lag has on duels as well, which is why many skilled people rarely play duels.
Vegito
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2012-10-18 23:50 
An ongoing tournament, I guess it could be nice for some. The flamewars, people black talking/talking bad about each other etc happens a lot anyway. I wouldn't know why a duel ladder would make that worse than it already is now.

I do believe hosting a ladder like this would active admins/officials cause many duels will need refereeing, flame wars need to be solved and you may have to force verify duels as well. It'll be a bit JDCish except ongoing. I don't believe the flamewars and whatever will get less emo
Plumbe
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2012-10-18 23:22 
Why not, as long as duel games are counted by a ladder separate from the existing ones. Or would that be indeed too tourney-like?
Lithium
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2012-10-18 22:48 
It would be cool in a way, clans choosing their representatives to pwn in duels or even clan leaders themselves fighting each other.
Vegito
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2012-10-18 22:46 
It'd be another ladder I guess? Not the same as the teamgames ladder?
Iustyn
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2012-10-18 21:06 
hell no.that would ruin the ladder system.
first of all,zd's will be all full by ppl ladderin 1v1.i remember there were many times i couldnt enter a zd cuz there were 2 clans ladderin but at duel...where is so easy to find some1 to duel u..god no.
second,there will be so much flame.we are insulting and raging each other so easily in 2v2 or 3v3 ladders.in duels would be even worse....
NO,RLLY!
Toni
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2012-10-18 20:28 
Yes, only because it could make jj2 more active, even if it causes more flamewars...
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