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     New Season Proposals | [q] 2012-03-17 15:50
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Hey I decided to make a thread about mine proposals.

1. As A Man said We should make more fair point system, I mean winner of ladder match shouldn't get 1 point (the same score like in a tie) My point is that some clans in the past played for a tie to gain points. So I think tie should be for 1 point, and win 2 points.

2. Add a punishment for ,,no show,, something like 5 or 10 points (Nowadays leading clan can accept a challenge and no show, then They won't loose any points, We should protect ourselfs from these types of situations)

3. Add 3 medals, gold sliver and bronze (To make a game more attractive and, let not so strange clans fight for medals, it is a good idea because then you can expect more clanwars, people will want medals from their teams)

4. Connect TB CTF ladders to each other, (Imo It wasn't good idea, just look at the date of last TB ladder 2012-01-23 21:50, almost 2 months ago, We should connect them to each other in next season, would be more interesting to see TB Clanwars like in 2006 or 2007)

5. Contest for a new logo of season with ,,5th Season of Ladder,, I mean something connected with new season, I can do new logo for example if nobody wants to try. I mean we can do some and decide with a pool for the best one.

6. Refresh old mappool (We should add something interesting from levels like: Cast to Darkness by Jake , Dusk of Serenity by Rag , Twisted System by Galana, also We should delete not good levels like Zaitox - nobody plays there and it is to campy)
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#1 | [q]2012-03-17 15:55
I agree with all points except the second one. The opponent should be awarded with 10 or 15 points instead of the evading clan getting punished IMO.

Both points do open up for abuse, but I'm sure the admins will think of something.


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#2 | [q]2012-03-17 16:12
Quote:
1. As A Man said We should make more fair point system, I mean winner of ladder match shouldn't get 1 point (the same score like in a tie) My point is that some clans in the past played for a tie to gain points. So I think tie should be for 1 point, and win 2 points.

That makes sense, but then the win-limit should be more than 100, as this season was rather short already.

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2. Add a punishment for ,,no show,, something like 5 or 10 points (Nowadays leading clan can accept a challenge and no show, then They won't loose any points, We should protect ourselfs from these types of situations)

Atm, it just counts as a loss, I thought o.O

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3. Add 3 medals, gold sliver and bronze (To make a game more attractive and, let not so strange clans fight for medals, it is a good idea because then you can expect more clanwars, people will want medals from their teams)

That'd make more sense if the ladder would indeed reflect skill levels. Award the top 3 active clans every season doesn't sound that useful to me. But sure, if a lot of players agree (y)

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5. Contest for a new logo of season with ,,5th Season of Ladder,, I mean something connected with new season, I can do new logo for example if nobody wants to try. I mean we can do some and decide with a pool for the best one.

Sure, why not!
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#3 | [q]2012-03-17 16:43
Of course if we will make 1.proposal alive then we will change a win-limit to 200 or something, i forgot to add that.
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#4 | [q]2012-06-01 12:51
It's only been six weeks and t3 is already nearing 200 points. Can the score limit be bumped? Not to 300 though, because even that wouldn't be enough emo


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#5 | [q]2012-06-01 13:01
I think limiting ladders would help more.


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#6 | [q]2012-06-01 13:20
Yeah but that's got some issues attached to it like I described some week ago
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#7 | [q]2012-06-01 13:23
Yeah well, we can't have a perfect system.

Also, you can't delay the inevitable!


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#8 | [q]2012-06-01 13:56
No offence but that's a silly idea.

Limiting ladders would lead to probable inactivity. I have days where I play a load, and days where I just don't. If I was told I'm only allowed to do one or two a day, and I lost one or drew one due to utter bullshit and wasn't allowed a rematch or another match on the same day, then, tbh I'd get bored a hell of a load faster.

Would you guys be complaining that the season is going too slow if t3, cx and even ib weren't laddering people and were still around the 20 point mark? Yeah you'd probably say "omg this season is inactive". If you guys view winning the race to 200 points fun, then step-up your game; the season doesn't even end at 200, it ends at the playoffs. So this system just encourages you to become 4th.

Also I see people from other clans on a lot, who just refuse to ladder and stay on the game all day, then they complain about us being on too much. Hypocrites. Notice that most the ladders this season are in fact (like last season) CX vs T3 (or ib, but I dunno if we're still counting the Hakum ladders), that's because people either refuse our requests or are just annoying to play against.

Yes this was a large and unnecessary rants but like you said, you can't have a perfect system. This is keeping the people who are trying happy at least, so why take it away from them when they're probably your main concern?
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#9 | [q]2012-06-01 13:59
If JDC limited duels it would be a disaster.


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#10 | [q]2012-06-01 14:01
If seasons end up being shorter so be it IMO.
I agree with Rag.
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#11 | [q]2012-06-01 14:16
I don't think it works that way, rushing ladders and then complaining and asking for the point cap to be raised when someone rushes more than you.

I probably wouldn't like if the season was too inactive, but playing more than 4 ladders a day is just lame. I found an old newspost mentioning that one ladder match per two days was an excellent statistic, back then no one complained about it. Nowadays you have dozens of ladders played every day. Just raising the point cap won't help, it would take a week or two to reach the new one anyway, assuming the first clan keeps doing 5 or more ladder matches every day.

That's why I think limiting matches would help more if you don't want the season to be too fast. I believe 3 or even 4 ladders a day is enough.


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#12 | [q]2012-06-01 14:30
Nice logical fallacy, but I am not complaining. emo


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#13 | [q]2012-06-01 14:32
Well, setting a new point limit might help, but not in this season. Save it for the next one emo


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#14 | [q]2012-06-01 14:45
Personally I think that you should try to put everything you have in a ladder match.
You could first play a few games to warmup properly.
Then ofcource there is a possibility that you don't perform as you would have wanted.
Imo don't inmediately play against the same clan again, it are still the same circomstances.
If you want to challenge them again, take some time to think/prepare and have your rematch some other day.
If you want to prove you can do better, try to play against one other clan.
Imo then its rly enough, you showed what you can do, if you want to play more, all that can be added is points.
This is just how I think about it.
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#15 | [q]2012-06-01 16:15
The ideas in the first post are good, only how would 4) exactly be implemented?

Also I agree with rag's post. Limiting the amount of ladders per day would just cripple the system.

Why rage about IB/Cx/t3 laddering more than other clans? They are the active players, don't blame them for competing against others in the game they like...


Nostalgia warning, well, at least if you're one of those ppl...