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By: Splat, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-13 06:28
During the prior decade, I gradually tried to offe...
By: Splat, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-13 04:00
That just means the rules are flawed; it should de...
By: SpazTron64, in: Funniest moments! » Forum games 2021-06-10 01:01
Hahaha oh my god, I see some of you have saved som...
By: MasterSven, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 15:18
Yes during stopped games it could be unethically a...
By: MasterSven, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 15:12
Jenny's parents played JJ2 as well, so JJ2 is cros...
By: Vivando, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 11:44
Indeed Anubis, was gonna say that :D
By: Vivando, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 11:43
True, unexpected breaks during the game can potent...
By: Anubis, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 11:30
I did have it open to look at the chat after some ...
By: Anubis, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 11:23
Grytolle and Leen both CC
By: Vivando, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 09:30
Typically all game streams have a delay of several...
By: Splat, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 02:22
Are there any JJ2 couples that have kids already? ...
By: Splat, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 01:11
Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating.....
By: Vivando, in: JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers » JJ2 related 2021-05-28 22:16
I agree. It would take a lot of effort from the se...
By: Anubis, in: JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers » JJ2 related 2021-05-28 16:50
It's not nearly as bad as 10 years ago to be hones...
By: Splat, in: JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers » JJ2 related 2021-05-21 23:51
JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers... Pe...
By: Splat, in: Commenting Guide » Clan talk 2021-05-20 04:24
I had compiled this list of prior ladder seasons' ...
By: Anubis, in: Commenting Guide » Clan talk 2021-05-19 23:17
Nice one, checking the number of the season before...
By: Splat, in: Commenting Guide » Clan talk 2021-05-18 09:02
Commenting Guide In preparation for commenting ...
By: Vivando, in: Funniest moments! » Forum games 2021-05-15 22:22
Nice one!
By: MasterSven, in: Funniest moments! » Forum games 2021-05-15 22:03
[21:46:23] [CDF]Mango: who is the leader of t3 [2...
By: Splat, in: VPN should be required in CW's » Site suggestions 2021-05-12 17:00
VPN should be required in CW's For those who do...
By: Splat, in: New players wanted » JJ2 related 2021-04-24 10:37
-Sorry for spam. (Posted too much on forums.) ....
By: Splat, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-04-05 15:42
It's not always plausible to open JJ2, especially ...
By: MaximuS , in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-25 01:15
I’m so happy that a lot of people feel connected...
By: Splat, in: Watching people drown » Ask Tira 2021-03-24 15:52
This question is about letting people drown in the...
By: Splat, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-23 13:49
Radar is actually ez 2 maek, just click on the map...
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 19:06
lmao k i hope this is my last comment in this issu...
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 16:06
If gpw rejects the council then thats absolutely l...
By: MasterSven, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 14:25
Basically we had a council like that before and we...
By: cooba, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 01:18
This should have been done 10 years ago.
By: Vivando, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-13 16:40
I am happy about this change. Mad props to Kev for...
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-13 13:15
ok some time has passed since i sent the council i...
By: Splat, in: Primetime - Rag vs Splat » Off topic 2021-03-13 00:56
Thanks for making me win, m0ti, however I don't th...
By: Vivando, in: [MULTI] Domination map making contest! » JJ2 related 2021-03-11 23:31
Congratulations to Violet! i-) :goodgame:
By: MaximuS , in: [MULTI] Domination map making contest! » JJ2 related 2021-03-11 20:49
The DOM map making contest has ended with Violet C...
By: Pariah, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-10 07:22
@cooba: yep.
By: Splat, in: ¿How to play CtF for rabbits? » JJ2 related 2021-03-07 22:58
Q: Jazz Jackrabbit 2's Capture the Flag gamemode i...
By: [GpW]Urbs, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-07 21:39
I understand why some of our players are pissed, b...
By: cooba, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-06 16:09
You're a psycho.
By: Pariah, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-06 04:13
well thanks Kev, i never herd of any of this. i ne...
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By: Splat, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-13 06:28
During the prior decade, I gradually tried to offer basically my whole life and more to BRZ, we didn't communicate much since almost 2 years now. I thought I was getting led on and dismissed cyclically, and I don't have neither reason nor rationale to disrupt other ppl's relationships anyway, that is also a disservice to myself. For reference,my oponion was not having kids, being that we are not maried and I am not paying child suport: I said that in a conversation on JJ2 some years ago. Regardless, I'm beyond ignorantly posting this, just honestly acknowledging this history, in respect to thread content — although I admit this post is unjustified, I hope that itʻs dignified.
By: Splat, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-13 04:00
That just means the rules are flawed; it should definitely be considered cheating to watch the broadcast while playing. The rules should be designed and enforced through neutral agency. It's discriminatory to prohibit some forms of unfair play while allowing other forms of unfair play, and it's exploition to invite me to comment about a game while teams are abusing the broadcast for cheating. I'm not commenting with the pretense that participating players are listening. There has to be much more strict adherence to fairness of play, and regulations pertaining to the issue, to justify a game being broadcast at all. A fair game being broadcast for viewers is rather discernable from a showmatch being performed like a circus. At the risk of citing extreme terms, those are obviously divergent options regarding the way games are going to be played.
By: SpazTron64, in: Funniest moments! » Forum games 2021-06-10 01:01
Hahaha oh my god, I see some of you have saved some of my most embarrassing moments online.
I sure was dumb when I was 12.
By: MasterSven, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 15:18
Yes during stopped games it could be unethically abused to some degree. Same however goes for people who 'CTO' (and rejoin as spectators), which is not possible to verify as well. My stream had about 30 seconds delay which is basically useless for cheating.
In my opinion streams are mostly there for the clanmembers that aren't playing at that time so it would be very unwise to prevent them from watching.
By: MasterSven, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 15:12
Jenny's parents played JJ2 as well, so JJ2 is cross-generationial already.
By: Vivando, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 11:44
Indeed Anubis, was gonna say that emo
By: Vivando, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 11:43
True, unexpected breaks during the game can potentially cause a situation where the delay does not apply. Minor, but crucial advantages could be gained in certain situations, depending on what the streamer's spectator targets are and what the commentators are commenting on, potentially revealing details like player health or exact location. In situations like that it could be potentially unethical to peek at the stream while playing the same game simultaneously. But indeed, sometimes the intentions aren't evil and one can be just curious to see how is the stream quality or is the stream crowd cheering for you, etc. These situations aren't always crystal clear and like I said, it would be impossible to control or prove anyone guilty, unless they explicitly confess such activity.
By: Anubis, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 11:30
I did have it open to look at the chat after some rounds, or to spectate in rounds where I was not playing. If this is considered an issue I will just wait for the recording next time. Of course, even with a delay set, it can turn into an advantage in certain situations, for example when the game is stopped for a period longer than the delay, you would find out the enemy flagholder's position and health like that. Thanks for broadcasting and bringing the issue up.
By: Anubis, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 11:23
Grytolle and Leen both CC
By: Vivando, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 09:30
Typically all game streams have a delay of several seconds (usually around 10) for the crowd, making it impossible to follow the game situation in real-time. Furthermore, streamers usually set an additional artificial delay for their streams (typically something like 30 seconds) to further nullify any attempts of following the game situation via their stream in order to gain an unfair advantage. I don't know if MS did use any setting like this in the stream in question, but even the stream's base delay does suffice in the case of JJ2's CTF game mode, where the game situation changes completely in a few seconds.

We have not forbidden players from watching their own game's streams in the rules either. There would be no effective way to control or prove this kind of activity anyway. For more details about our anti-cheating policy, see: https://jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=articles&articleFunction=showArticle&articleId=55
By: Splat, in: Royal Families of JJ2 » Off topic 2021-06-06 02:22
Are there any JJ2 couples that have kids already? This has been a topic of conversation on JJ2 before. Based on the rumors, it seems there is a candidate for this category from GPW, however I'm not sure if that rumor was true or false. With some players getting married, and some players having longterm relationships; I'm curious if JJ2 will become a cross-generational game, hence the thread name "Royal Families of JJ2"
By: Splat, in: Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating » Improving rules 2021-06-06 01:11
Watching broadcasts while playing CW is cheating...

It was brought to my attention that some player(s?) had the broadcast open of the recent T3 vs CC game while participating...

Although I'm not a participant in ladder anymore and therefore it technically doesn't make a difference to me, being that I made the contribution of commenting for the broadcast, I will share my opinion that it's definitely cheating to watch the broadcast while playing. It makes me wonder if ladder is really meant to be a fair contest, or is it just attention seeking? This unruliness personally alienates me from being a fan of JJnet, and furthermore I don't want to contribute to a fraudulent game tournament, in the form of commenting, considering that players and teams don't make a genuine all-around effort to play fair. This ladder tournament has to prove that it's capable of consistently providing fair games for players in order for it to earn my respect.

Without pointing any (virtual) fingers at anyone specific, I'm just trying to make it clear that: watching a broadcast while playing is cheating, and I don't want to contribute to anymore fraudulent games that allow blatant cheating, and also that it's really pertainant for this tournament to prove that it's keeping the fairness of games in consideration before it gains anymore respect. Or, either that or just let ladder die(?), it's not doing me any good to spend my time and effort on commenting for a game that just results in players disregarding the fairness of the game.
By: Vivando, in: JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers » JJ2 related 2021-05-28 22:16
I agree. It would take a lot of effort from the server owner alone to moderate chat effectively. This typically needs an active moderator team in the server to moderate the chat, like Anubis explained.

Inappropriate behavior in the game's livestream chats seems to be a rising trend too, which is sad to see.
By: Anubis, in: JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers » JJ2 related 2021-05-28 16:50
It's not nearly as bad as 10 years ago to be honest, I remember a lot of my time as an admin of Zeal Duels included reacting to flame wars or analyzing chat logs regarding players' behaviour. However it comes to mind that, for example in Puke Nukem servers, some of the Trustee admins are inactive nowadays, for example Naps who stopped playing after recent events that happened last year. The rules about personal attacks are quite clear but there need to be more crew members available for reporting such behaviour to, maybe even a dedicated room in Puke Nukem Discord or an announcement that includes the usernames of crew members you can talk to.
By: Splat, in: JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers » JJ2 related 2021-05-21 23:51
JJ2 needs more strictly moderated servers...

People join servers on JJ2 to play battle and CTF and tests and spectate. Players join to play games. The average JJ2 player doesn't want to hear about your sexual emotions or your interpersonal conflicts with other players or meaningless unprovoked insults.

There is an extreme amount of childishness in this game recently. There are teenagers who seem to lack the self-discipline to be more discerning about what they say, and what they don't say. There are adults who continue to behave inapropriately, irrespective of their age.

There should be at least some servers where players are required to behave maturely, or at least attempt to do so. JJ2 has to become an environment where younger players can learn to exemplify a decree of professionalism.

In contrast, it seems mostly JJ2 is where older players will instead continue to behave recklessly and inconsiderately. If this game's internet-mode were monitored by its copyright-holders (like many modern games are) then a plethora of player behaviors would result in restrictions against using official servers, or the game would just be depreciated by the gross negligence of its players regarding the procurement of a respectful-attitude environment.

I'm not just saying this to be hateful or to place blame or anything, I really just am disapointed by the lack of moderation concerning chat on JJ2, and I think that chat in JJ2 servers could afford to be moderated much more strictly, and also that players have to learn to be more discerning about what is apropriate to say in a scenario/situation like a JJ2 server.

It may not be entirely effortless to carefully consider what might be too extremely inconsiderate to be worth saying on a JJ2 server chat. That amount of effort, is what distinguishes exemplary behavior, from intolerable behavior though.

Thanks for taking the time to read my opinion and consider my message // Sorry again about the forum spam
By: Splat, in: Commenting Guide » Clan talk 2021-05-20 04:24
I had compiled this list of prior ladder seasons' top teams; although the information is not verified fully correct, it should be at least enough to keep track of how many ladder seasons there have been.

Code:
S1- RA
S2- CC
(2011)
S3- GPW
(2012)
S4- CX
S5- T3*
S6- GPW
(2013)
S7- T3
(2014)
S8- T3
(2015)
S9- CX
(2016)
S10- CC*
(2017)
S11- CX
(2018)
S12- CX
(2019)
S13- CX
S14- CX*
S15- GPW
(2020)
S16- GPW
S17- GPW


Therefore it follows that the current ladder season is the 18th.

(The asterisks are nothing substantial: just denoting that the team had a particular egoist on their roster at the time, such as myself.)

According to this data, here is a statistical breakdown:

Code:
(Total ladder championships, seasons 1 through 17)

CX - 6
GPW - 5
T3 - 3
CC - 2
RA - 1
By: Anubis, in: Commenting Guide » Clan talk 2021-05-19 23:17
Nice one, checking the number of the season beforehand is a great idea. And of course knowing who is the referee emo What I also like to do is check historical data of the playing teams (wins vs losses, on which maps they have played against each other in the past). This was for example our first clanwar loss against t3, out of two games played in total. Past clanwars can be checked under "All clanwars" in the jj.net menu, or under "National Tournament" for past national tournaments (and we've got an archive of our own past clanwars from 2000 till 2008, before jj.net. None of those clans is active on the ladder anymore though, except for GpW).
By: Splat, in: Commenting Guide » Clan talk 2021-05-18 09:02
Commenting Guide

In preparation for commenting during the recent CW, I wrote down some lines in advance, lest I would've had to improvise much more and risking saying something too dumb or too annoying, or worse being blatantly disrespectful or overtly rude...

I thought I might share what these lines were, as an example for future commenters...

- Clanwar commentary...

"Hello all & welcome to the JJnet season (??) clanwar of the teams (XYZ) & (XYZ)"

"Thanks for tuning into our broadcast of the ladder"

"Score (XYZ)"
"(Player) captures (red/blue) flag"

"(Player) takes the (up/down/left/right) carrot"

"A timeout is in effect"

"Refferee will be (name)"

"This round was (A) points (XYZ) & (B) points (XYZ)"

"The match concludes w/ an (XYZ) victory against (XYZ)"

"The broadcast stream URL is available at (https://www...)"

"The game was scheduled at (00:00) time on (unknown) day"

=-> Reference key: (?? = what ladder season is it), (XYZ = abreviation of team name), (Player = whomever), (red/blue = current color of the flag), (up/down/left/right = location of the carrot or other item on the level), (Name = refering to the ref), (A/B = number of points), (URL = link to broadcast stream), (time/day = whenever the event is scheduled)

...So maybe this commentary guide could be helpful to anyone who comments a live game, it helped me prioritize what I will say and prevent precarious improvisational speech.
By: Vivando, in: Funniest moments! » Forum games 2021-05-15 22:22
Nice one!
By: MasterSven, in: Funniest moments! » Forum games 2021-05-15 22:03
[21:46:23] [CDF]Mango: who is the leader of t3
[21:46:26] *** -t3>SJ komt in het spel
[21:46:26] Console: >> -t3>SJ is automatically logged in (Admin)
[21:46:29] [CDF]MS: xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
By: Splat, in: VPN should be required in CW's » Site suggestions 2021-05-12 17:00
VPN should be required in CW's

For those who don't know: A "virtual private network" (VPN) hides the IP address of the client from web-connections on the internet.

This means that hackers who want to DDOSS you will be unlikely to gain information about your actual computer's online IP address.

Notably, "clanwars" (CW's) have seemingly been targets of numerous DDOSS attempts during prior JJnet ladder seasons.

If all the players and other CW participants (refs, broadcasters, etc.) had an active VPN, then maybe the hackers could refrain from attempting to DDOSS games for JJnet.

Offered by a plethora of internet servicers, there are a number of free VPN programs available. Playing JJ2 with VPN active might produce additional lag, although selecting a VPN-server within a proximity of the JJ2-server could limit this extra lag to a less substantial amount. The tradeoffs betwixt: a marginal amount of extra lag, or, the risk of a game being ruined by DDOSS...

Are the rationale for the argument offered from this thread. Please also consider that contrarily: I cannot guarantee that using VPN will prevent DDOSS; hack attempts; any other type of interference, cheating, sabatoge or malintention; or the potential for a game being crashed overall. I'm not an authority regarding ladder, nor am I an expert about internet security and potential game tournament vulnerability. Just making this wild claim, so that perhaps, any scheduled or predetermined ladder matches won't be deterred by a lack of internet security protocols regarding game connectivity.

{(I again apologize again for the spam.)}
By: Splat, in: New players wanted » JJ2 related 2021-04-24 10:37
-Sorry for spam. (Posted too much on forums.)

...Just had a quick chat on JJ2's internet mode about this topic

I think that JJ2 is in a prime place for esteemed individuals to start playing this game online:

1. The plus-mod is available and obtainable quite simply. Without JJ2+plus, it's still a great time to join "vanilla" compatible servers. There are a plurality of open servers listed, whether they don't require the plus-mod, or they require the latest version to play.

2. Alot of experienced players are inactive or have quit playing. That means there's more free space in games to allow players to partake, without dealing with the stigmatism of "noob" accusation. These same players who've quit, furthermore won't be habitually cycling to the same maps/levels, and following cliche gameplay/teamchat patterns; in strategical, tactical, and teamplay terms.

3. Release of outstanding maps/levels has improved to a point there's a mulchitude of interesting and intriguing options. Games aren't limitd to the old classics anymore and many artists who've designed levels, tilesets, scripts and more will most likely apreciate players taking the time to test and try out their creations; and also adapt or evolve their works of JJ2-content in response to player feedback and mapool evaluations.

If you didn't already know, then you might check JJ2's online multiplayer mode via the New Game menu dialogue:
=-> "Party Mode" =-> "Internet Play" =-> "Join another game as client" =-> "1, 2, 3, 4... players" =->
Then input your choice of nick-nametag, fur-colours, control-schematic, etc.

To qualify this blatant advert, I'll jump the gun by sharing another opinion:
JazzJackrabbit2+ would potentially be rated for an older age of maturition than what was let on at the game's premier.
Although the official single players episodes exhibit restraint along the lines of explicit content...
The modern standard about this game on the internet, especially concerning online games with plus, is now nowhere near apropriate for kids, and rather beyond adult allegory.
I'm only bringing this to attention, in order to place a hopefully fair warning on this ploy for new players.

(Please feel free to reply to this thread, if you should agree or disagree, or have any response)
By: Splat, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-04-05 15:42
It's not always plausible to open JJ2, especially for the sake of dialogue. Public availability of computers is scarce in most areas. Loading JJ2 onto a public computer with limited availability is also more deliberate. Thereby talking on WWW instead of JJ2 needn't be disincentivized.

Furthermore since I retired from playing ladders, yet I played about 8 years worth of ladders, denying players the ability to communicate about ladder will just lead to a lack of communication. That maybe fine if ladder is supposed to continue with just invitee participants, although that'd really be a change of events.

Granted that this season of ladder appears to have only CDF and T3 jointly vyeing for 200 points, with GPW and CX not participating, and CC not distinctly contending for 1st place. This scenario could be actually optimal for ladder overall, if there's just marginal interest from CC, CX, and GPW. Clans that are most invested into the ladder won't have random other teams competing. Most particularly, if players from T3 and CDF are controlling the rules of ladder, there's no rationale for other teams to compete on the basis of a fair tournament competition, with an (arguably imbalanced) level playing field.

My personal opinion technically disregards the current season; I just don't want to play anymore ladder. I'm not motivated to play so many games nonstop. This thread isn't about me though and my point overall is that -- it's pointless to try and decide who gets to share their thoughts on a topic (such as radar usage during ladders) because that will make you thoughtless and oblivious, and most people would sooner be thoughtful than thoughtless; that much is glaringly obvious.
By: MaximuS , in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-25 01:15
I’m so happy that a lot of people feel connected to the scene, I would be much happier if they would take their time and play.

Private opinion. People who don’t participate should have little to say on how things are or should be.
By: Splat, in: Watching people drown » Ask Tira 2021-03-24 15:52
This question is about letting people drown in their own mistakes.

For a hyperbolic illustrative example, just imagine this scenario.

Some people are standing over a frozen lake. Let three of these people be called X, Y, and Z.

For some arbitrary reason, a fight starts among the 3 of them.

X and Y continue fighting violently and maliciously while Z tries to avoid or escape the brawl. Unsurprisingly, during the violence, X and Y fall into the frozen lake, and are then incapable of climbing out to safety. Z, feeling betrayed by the onset of violence and threatened by involvement within the fight, neglects to offer any help to the others, contending that if they didn't want to drown in a frozen lake, then they shouldn't have put themselves in harm's way while risking the safety of the people around them.

So my question would be, is it smart for Z to just ignore them, based upon the notion that if X and Y were saved, they could just repeatedly get Z into trouble? Or is it smarter for Z to try and save them, although risking a furtherance of danger and harm?

In other words — if someone is being selfdestructive in order to smite you: should you try to help them in lieu of their goal of hurting you, or should you just observe their selfdestructive behavior and conclude that the consequences of their actions are their own punishment enough that there's no reason to intervene?
By: Splat, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-23 13:49
Radar is actually ez 2 maek, just click on the map several times at once, it's basic echolocation.
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 19:06
lmao k i hope this is my last comment in this issue.
so from what i understood among other things gpw is very sceptical about future decisions/behavior of admins, as theoretically admins could just make clanladder related decisions on their own again, without the council.

i think there are 2 scenarios in case gpw joins the council/ladder:

1) eventually admins break their word and fck things up, in which case you have verification of your initial doubts about this and simply leave jjnet behind for good.
2) against your expectations admins do not fck things up or do some bad stuff, the council runs nicely and makes the clanladder related decisions, and the few gpw members who perhaps might be interested in playing in the ladder have more power in it.

youre not losing anything if you find it out by simply giving it a try.

either way, if you ever change your mind in the future i guess gpw has their place in the council. take care
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 16:06
If gpw rejects the council then thats absolutely legit. As i got some feedback now i just want to make sure that the reason for the rejection isnt based on some misunderstanding about the role of certain (even quite inactive) jjnet admins. Admins representing their clans in the council have the same rights/power as everyone else in the council and they arent supposed to push for their own personal opinions but to represent the opinion of their clan. Again, a decision is only made when all clans agree to it. So no, admins dont have special power in the council.
By: MasterSven, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 14:25
Basically we had a council like that before and we delivered a lot of good work imo and my expectations are that this will be so again.

https://jazzjackrabbit.net/index.php?league=1&season=1&op=com&id=668

Check out the first line of this newspost.
By: cooba, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-14 01:18
This should have been done 10 years ago.
By: Vivando, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-13 16:40
I am happy about this change. Mad props to Kev for suggesting this idea. The main problem with the JJNet crew was always that the decision making power was divided unequally among active clans, which naturally caused many complaints among the years. Once the councils are complete, we can ensure that every decision is applied with full reason, as full consensus among the clan representatives needs to be achieved. Time will tell how this new system will work for evolving the competition itself as well, as I'm sure that many of the council members (new ones too) will have fresh ideas to bring up.

Meanwhile we, the people running JJNet as its crew members no longer need to worry about how to deal with the rules or how to make judgements, but can focus on site maintenance and development. Last spring I retired as a JJNet admin after having had sort of a burnout from administrating the ladder. I had been doing a lot of its tasks alone, culminating in the cheating investigation which was a heavy burden on its own, with lots of external pressure from all directions too. Luckily I wasn't forced to make any final decisions on my own. Nowadays I'm still part of the crew as a site developer, though I have been assisting with admin decisions too in the background. Teamwork is way more fun than being under pressure alone. I am anyway happy to give the rest of the decision-making power away to the council (which I am part of anyway), to divide power and workload more equally among other people too.
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-13 13:15
ok some time has passed since i sent the council invitation message to urbs to share it with gpw discord server. as im not exactly sure whether he shared the message in it or not, id like to post it here too, so every gpw member can read it. so here it goes:

In order to make the clanladder competition more democratic and fair, jjnet crew has agreed to transfer the decision making power for every clanladder-competition related decision from jjnet admins to the clan councils. This includes decisions about rules changes, judgement about rules violations (which was different in the past) and mapool changes, for example.

Curently there is already a rules council and a mapool council. We intend to use those two. depending on what issues come up, different councils could be needed.
The councils are supposed to consist of about two people of each presented clan, in order to discuss things. Regardless of the exact number of clan members in the council, each clan will always have 1 vote when it comes to decision making. Every clan’s vote is equal. This way all present clans have equal power. Decisions will only be made and executed if ALL present clans agree to it. To give an example: if its suggested to increase timelimit to 15 minutes and 3/4 clans vote “yes” but 1/4 clans votes “no”, then the timelimit will stay the same.

At least that’s how the rules council is supposed to work. We will probably need a slightly different approach (other than all clans agreeing on all maps) in the mapool council. We will decide about how the mapool is selected, when all council members are present there.

For this system to work, all included clans will be required to be willing to make a compromise every now and then, as decisions about rules can only be made when all clans agree. But as there are reasonable people in every clan, we hope that this system will be successful in managing the clanladder-competition.

Jjnet crew will continue to run the website and other jjnet related issues. But everything related to the clanladder-competition will be decided in common agreement by all present clans in the council and not by jjnet admins, anymore. This way all clanladder related decisions are made by a more representative group of people.

Ideas and suggestions are welcome, too.


if gpw wants to join the council, please let us know. ofc feel free to refuse the invitation if you dont want to be part of the council.
By: Splat, in: Primetime - Rag vs Splat » Off topic 2021-03-13 00:56
Thanks for making me win, m0ti, however I don't think that you're actually authorized to declare who is/was the winnier of this debate.

I must decline the victory, because Ragnarok didn't offer any terms of unconditional surrender, so the debate/flamewar must continue

BTW, saw your comment about me, it was like weeds/months ago, just I canot comment on this site anymore. May teh love be with u
By: Vivando, in: [MULTI] Domination map making contest! » JJ2 related 2021-03-11 23:31
Congratulations to Violet! emo emo
By: MaximuS , in: [MULTI] Domination map making contest! » JJ2 related 2021-03-11 20:49
The DOM map making contest has ended with Violet CLM taking the first place with two outstanding submissions - Genshin Over It and King of Wuwang Hill

I would like to thank everyone who took part, as well as those who unfortunately did not meet the deadline, for showing intrest throughout the time.


Reality check.
In the initial timeframe, we received two entries, the winning ones, the only ones submitted. Those two are super high quality, with stunning visuals and creative gameplay.
At the first deadline I decided to extend the contest by a month since the times are tough and a good chunk of the initial time was overlapping with x-mas.
The extension was justified but the condition on minimum amount of submissions to end the contest was a bad, very unfair move to the person who has actually submitted in time.

I believe that the high quality of those entries might have discouraged other people from potentially entering the competition.


This contest had to end to make space for better, newer things.

Kind Regards,
Bee.
By: Pariah, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-10 07:22
@cooba: yep.
By: Splat, in: ¿How to play CtF for rabbits? » JJ2 related 2021-03-07 22:58
Q: Jazz Jackrabbit 2's Capture the Flag gamemode is too complicated. How do you play CtF?

A: A score in CTF is made by joining either blue or red team, stealing the flag of the opposing color's team from their base, and preventing the enemy team from stealing the ally flag, then bringing the enemy flag to the ally base. A score can only be made when the ally flag is still at the ally base. If you bring the enemy flag to your base, while an enemy player has possession of your flag, there will not be a score. CTF by default is played with 3 maximum HP. If the JJ2 gamefiles aren't patched to version 1.23 or more, then do not touch the border of the level, unless there is a wall of masked tiles there.
By: [GpW]Urbs, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-07 21:39
I understand why some of our players are pissed, but I would prefer if they took their anger out on their opponents in a more direct way via ladder and clanwars.

Now I need to have a talk with GpWers (I apologize to all parties for not doing this sooner, will come around to the server next week), but looking at it from a distance I can see why this split happened, but I can't condone it, even though I'm glad that the initial ruling was overturned (where, btw I'd like to thank the admins for swiftly deleting the initial malicious spamfest from one of our competitors).

Saying that we should all get along would be just plain stupid, but I do hope that our players see that the admins are trying to move things in a new direction. SJ wrote and apologized to me even though I don't think he owed me an apology so I can only give kudos there. Now it could be that the differences are irreconcilable, but I hope that this isn't going to be the case.
By: cooba, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-06 16:09
You're a psycho.
By: Pariah, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-06 04:13
well thanks Kev, i never herd of any of this. i never had any problem with grytolle and kyro being admins,

[quote[Kev[--> oh boy that escalated quickly! Jjnet is not Russian/Chinese government.]
well im suggesting it should be. overly democratic institutions are a mistake.


[qoute[cooba[CX was a mistake]
i disagree, CX is great. gpw would never be as great as it is without CX to beat us into shape.
By: cooba, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-06 02:14
CX was a mistake
By: MasterSven, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-05 00:00
I don't think the rules changed that much over the past few years, especially in a way that would allow GpW to perform much better. Speaking of rules, still looking forward to the completion of the councils. I already got a list of rules to tweak.
By: Vivando, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-04 22:16
Kev already replied quite thoroughly, but here are some points I wanted to add based on my personal point of view.

The same night when we had a chat with a number of people from GpW on Discord, I sent a personal apology to Urbs via Messenger. To my knowledge Urbs has been very inactive on Discord lately, so I thought I would catch him faster this way and I did. However, he wanted to handle the situation later with peace as he was really busy at that time to my understanding.

A bit over a week later a part of us JJNet crew finally had a short chat with Urbs on Discord about the situation. He promised to go through the related conversations and I was hoping to hear back from him, but I can only imagine his total message count on Discord after being inactive there for so long, so I'm under the assumption that he is still busy going through the conversations on his minimal spare time. We briefly talked about writing some kind of an official JJNet statement too, but to my understanding Urbs wanted to try to talk to his clanmates first. Anyway I can only speak for myself at this point.

I have stated this on other channels than JJNet already, but anyway I'm here as a JJNet crew member to emphasize that since the cheating evidence became unclear based on the public feedback, I fully support the decision to lift the bans and I apologize to A7med and Pavlus for this rushed decision and to all others whose feelings were hurt from it.
By: Kev, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-04 11:58
Let me give you an update on where we are now, based on what I know:

sj and me had a discord chat with a7med lazar naps lahm and urbs being present from gpw. there we presented our concluding point of view about what happened and apologized to a7med/pav and gpw for the things which we believe we did wrong. (Pav wasn’t present in that group due to limited user number. But I guess he got the message.) if you are interested in reading our message, here it is: https://imgur.com/qQpzxxA

Loon had a conversation with lahm where he tried to make peace and apologized to lahm and whole gpw for what he thinks he did wrong.

in the past i asked jjnet crew if we want to post a public concluding statement from our side but I didn’t really get a clear answer.

Next, a few weeks ago we decided to transfer all decision making power for EVERY clanladder-competition related decision from jjnet admins to the (existing) clan councils. I think it applied to rules changes and mapool changes in the past already. Now it includes judgement about rules violations and bans, too. This means that clanladder-competition related decisions are not made by jjnet admins anymore but by the clans who decide things together in a more democratic/fair way with equal power. We had a brief conversation with urbs about the drama recently. Afaik he wanted to read up the gpw chat and talk to gpw. Gpw is invited to be part of decision-making in the council, too. We sent urbs the whole message of that council idea (including all details) and are waiting for him to share it with gpw group chat on discord so you can make up your minds about it. But urbs is not responding anymore for quite some time now lol. So now that you made this post here we might just send you the whole message with all the details via somebody else I guess.

This is where we and jjnet are now. Now let me reply to some of your statements.

“someone develops a new way of playing and because you think your way of playing is great, you presume they cheated.”
--> we accused them of cheating bcs of the “evidence” that was collected. If we had not noticed so many moments in a7med and pav (before knowing about field of vision shift mentioned by SE) then there would not have been any bans in the first place, regardless of people’s personal opinions.

“so, why am i here? “ “im here to help you, to show you the way out of the mud. “ “you still believe gpw cheated then stand for what u believe and ban them, damn the evidence and the jurys and ban them on your power as admin”
--> oh boy that escalated quickly! Jjnet is not Russian/Chinese government. Not caring about evidence would be very arbitrary, mean and unfair. It doesn’t matter whether we personally believe they cheated or not. All that matters is evidence. If all jjnet admins just personally believed a7med/pav cheated but there was zero evidence, then there would have been no bans. Eventho it looked like a clear case to us before knowing about FOV-shift, rushing the bans without discussing the evidence more sufficiently with gpw/3rd party people was kinda arbitrary too, and I apologize for that once more. But again, after reevaluating the evidence and seeing that many moments became unclear jjnet reversed the bans right away instead of justyfing them and everyone is free to play since then. Like I said, the clan council is the judge of cheating accusations now, not jjnet admins.

“some people planing on creating another ladder site.”
--> thats the way to go if you still want to play competitively and hate jjnet so much despite the facts that…
1) jjnet corrected the mistake and unbanned everyone. (everyone is free to play and all of gpw who still wanted to play ladders even after the drama happened could have done so the whole season already - but ye make a new laddersite)
2) the two admins (gry&kyro) which some of gpw complained so much about are totally inactive and have other things to care about.
3) I guess people's/gpw's problems with single admins dont even matter much anymore anyway bcs of 4)
4) all clanladder-competition related decisions are now being made in agreement of all council clans with equal power, instead of jjnet admins, including judgement about rules violations.
5) at least 3 of the involved people tried to make peace and apologized for the things they think they did wrong. While the others myb don’t care at all cuz they are inactive and busy with life or perhaps they just don’t see a mistake bcs...
- myb they think doing the investigation for contributing to fair play was legit (remember there wouldn’t have been bans without finding so many moments in the first place)
- myb they think rushing the bans was legit bcs it looked like a totally clear case to them
- myb they think unbanning a7med/pav right away after reevaluating the evidence corrected the mistake anyway.
Idk what's on their mind regarding all this.




By: Pariah, in: cheating and admins » Site suggestions 2021-03-04 08:05
so where we are now is we have this open wound of people accused of cheating(A7med fr) and they cant be convicted of cheating,(but circumstantial evidence and with the lack of an impartial witness) nor acquitted as admins still clearly believe they cheated. i mean to argue and explain how we got here; years ago cc dominated and maintained psychological superiority, sometime in the clouded past some unknown player created cx clan, collected all the best players to it and secured and achieved a dominance unparalleled by anything ive seen. thus twas during this epoch a group of mediocre players collected with gpw, and played ladders against the vaunted cx; the results not close for gpw, some called cx cheaters etc. eventually gpw played better and thought they could win a season against a mostly idle cx, but no cx pawned them again! ha haw. now gpw didnt blame their defeat on inferior play, but blamed the rules and at once set to work picking on the rules; after some incessint attacks, the admins of jjnet being weak bowed to gpw and changed the rules. with the admins put it their place, and the rules more to their liking we now believed we could win a season, and set to playing ladders as before. with the rules changed cx played more active to win the season, but gpw played close ladders and often won vs cx: apparently my team developed a new way of playing, a way i never learned and barely comprehend(they want me to s vs two r ive done this but then e always scores dying one second after i do.) as far as i can tell this new way of playing is to expect to be as lucky as king olaf and to steal all the luck u can.(ive been kind of a fifth wheel playing with them as its a stupid way to play, and i never accepted it.)

cx being unwilling to relinquish full psychological superiority felt gpw was cheating, collected and fed evidence to admins.(admins being weak they go along with it exactly how they change the rules for gpw.) this anti cheating campaign culminating with the clanwar. after much labours collecting evidence and organizing it; the admins posts a huge mountain entirely of circumstantial evidence which stands stalwart till the jury of se and yacinedz criticize it.

and here we are... admins stuck in mud... cant move forward as after such a devastating failure of a case now firerabbit and A7med will never beleive they cheated, and any jury would do the same as se and yacinedz. nor backwards as admins still believe they cheated... so here we are, gpw so offended they are dead, cx so devastated they are dead, and some people planing on creating another ladder site.

so, why am i here? .... i used to play another game which had a wonderful ladder, perfectly functional and great in every way; but one day some people disagreed with how the admins ran the site, i posted something with them. the admins kill the site..... the game is ruined; i feel as if my post was so devastating it killed the site. i dont want this to happer again, i love this site. anything shaker or anybody else builds will be inferior to this....
im here to help you, to show you the way out of the mud.
1: gpw didnt cheat; i played with slayer when he cheated, it was so much fun, it was so easy; so easy that it was obvious to me when i saw the cheat accusation he cheated. when cc set up the game vs slayer and caught him cheating, they got cut to ribbons; a leet cc team with cc at the zenith of her power beaten silly. this is not what happened here: cx coulda won if they woulda caught firerabbit. ive played vs gpw, and i agree with maximus, "for a long time playing against you guys wasn't fun" someone develops a new way of playing and because you think your way of playing is great, you presume they cheated. ive played vs jety and known exactly where shes going and when she going their and nineteen times out of twenty i ether get there too late or get in her way and cant hit her. if gpw ever comes back to play it is only going to get worse as they improve. they are hell to play against but if ye dont play you wont learn. you owe gpw an apoligee for accusing them of cheating. and you also owe cx an apoligee for failing them, they trusted you and you failed badly.(they should have made the accusation themselfs, but you made it for them and you failed.)
2: you still believe gpw cheated then stand for what u believe and ban them, damn the evidence and the jurys and ban them on your power as admin! throw off the chains of pretend democracy which make you weak and be really and truly in charge of and in control of your own site.

you have dishonored the site; go left or right, i dont care which; gpw and cx have been at each other for a long time, this is not your problem. your charge is the site, restore the honor of the site. emo
By: Lithium, in: What are some of the best maps that never were in mappool? » JJ2 related 2021-03-01 13:28
DanZeal wrote:
Bannerwatch Base: https://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/7017/bannerwatch-base/


I'm flattered emo
By: Vivando, in: What are some of the best maps that never were in mappool? » JJ2 related 2021-02-19 16:43
Kev wrote:
and /c fioctfa by Vivando8D


Isn't /c bj better though? emo
By: Kev, in: What are some of the best maps that never were in mappool? » JJ2 related 2021-02-18 22:46
I think its called "an overnight skirmish", a map by Valmango8D (if that was his name).

and /c fioctfa by Vivando8D
By: DanZeal, in: What are some of the best maps that never were in mappool? » JJ2 related 2021-02-18 13:55
Bannerwatch Base: https://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/7017/bannerwatch-base/

And Nightfall in Noobland would be interesting: https://www.jazz2online.com/downloads/4969/nightfall-in-noobland/
By: Splat, in: What are some of the best maps that never were in mappool? » JJ2 related 2021-02-18 13:14
Hollow of the Haunted is a level that after playtesting, I thought it could be good for ladder mappool. I recommend considering it at the next mappool update.

Energy blast is a special movement ability, in the form of a custom weapon. The presence of energy blast in the map makes it unique among CTF levels, but the energy blast exists with an ammo limitation that keeps the level in balance, between a gimmick-level emphasizing charging around the arena with no observation of gravity, and a repetition of a traditional theme along with a flow-functional layout.

It's one that I'd like to play more extensively sometime. Evaluating the balance between sides is a concern beyond just first impression.