he fucking banned me for one day because i complained about it =[[. so watch out, toni abuse admin on!
cryin irl
http://upload.digiex.net/files/hg6bfqbkto1lnj8l3nnn.jpg
so anyways, as u can see almost every single NF member is now a trustee (for no reason actually). nobody ever asked us if we agree with them [ i mean seriously, who'd agree with a 11 years old kid to control us and take serious decisions like banning ].. im making this poll to see if u agree with toni as a trustee or not...
i dont wanna involve this into this subject, but look at persons like Lith. he worked really hard to get some power on this damn website and what did he succeed? hes now just a forum mod, and toni was chosen a trustee of all the zeals in 5 secs by jake and nerd because "he deserves it".
btw nerd i still have the chatlog of what u did to moti and me last night
he fucking banned me for one day because i complained about it =[[. so watch out, toni abuse admin on!
cryin irl
http://upload.digiex.net/files/hg6bfqbkto1lnj8l3nnn.jpg
so anyways, as u can see almost every single NF member is now a trustee (for no reason actually). nobody ever asked us if we agree with them [ i mean seriously, who'd agree with a 11 years old kid to control us and take serious decisions like banning ].. im making this poll to see if u agree with toni as a trustee or not...
i dont wanna involve this into this subject, but look at persons like Lith. he worked really hard to get some power on this damn website and what did he succeed? hes now just a forum mod, and toni was chosen a trustee of all the zeals in 5 secs by jake and nerd because "he deserves it".
btw nerd i still have the chatlog of what u did to moti and me last night ;-)
No,I was banned for almost the whole day,and only Sulfur remained unbanned for a while,he was banned later I think.
With the radar thing,wasn't it like "your whole clan is a cheater clan,you'll all get banned"?
I know it was long ago,but hey,if such a joke can be tolerated (not that he only wrote the line,that isn't important,I mean the admins played along too),why mine can't?
Others were involved as well, it wasn't just me taking it serious. Isn't it stupid to go ahead and say we've got radar too? You call yourself a cheater and then blame others for taking precautions... It was I think only you and Damar getting banned.
Also, "the admins" weren't playing along with Toni at all?
What's the problem? Toni doesn't have the pass, never had and just wrote a damn message. Then some dude who's faking is objecting and here we are, drama. No admins played along wtf :p
The only "joke" there apparently was, was them (Toni, Jake, Nerd) deciding not to say Toni never logged in nor had the password fyi. The ban could have been valid either way, if not only for faking. That is checking the rules strictly...
[quote]No,I was banned for almost the whole day,and only Sulfur remained unbanned for a while,he was banned later I think.
With the radar thing,wasn't it like "your whole clan is a cheater clan,you'll all get banned"?
I know it was long ago,but hey,if such a joke can be tolerated (not that he only wrote the line,that isn't important,I mean the admins played along too),why mine can't?[/quote]
Others were involved as well, it wasn't just me taking it serious. Isn't it stupid to go ahead and say we've got radar too? You call yourself a cheater and then blame others for taking precautions... It was I think only you and Damar getting banned.
Also, "the admins" weren't playing along with Toni at all?
What's the problem? Toni doesn't have the pass, never had and just wrote a damn message. Then some dude who's faking is objecting and here we are, drama. No admins played along wtf :p
The only "joke" there apparently was, was them (Toni, Jake, Nerd) deciding not to say Toni never logged in nor had the password fyi. The ban could have been valid either way, if not only for faking. That is checking the rules strictly...
He states outright that the next time somebody will raise maxplayers while he is playing, he will ban that person.
Because he's not capable of focusing on the game.
I was shocked tbh and I still fail to see the wisdom of having somebody like him as a trustee unless he completely changes his behaviour
With power comes responsibility and this is something the admins here fail to recognize.
Sure DZ owns the place and we should all be thankful to him for hosting splendid servers (dont whine about lag its jj2, and zd's are generally good enough), yet we are talking about a community here.
And I am deeply disturbed when people start saying that discussion is pointless and that kimo should just stfu. In a community things get discussed, or at least they should.
Frankly the longer I'm part of this community the more I'm starting to notice just how flawed it is. I hate bringing up Cooba here, but he is completely right in saying that when it comes to comparing the leaders of two communities - jjnet and j2o - that the latter were a class act whereas the same can not be said of most people here. Power abuse is rampant among even the best of admins (SJ, Nerd), not to even mention some others.
It's not like a mafia, it is mafia.
And every once in a while we have a glimpse of democracy people almost seem to resent the word, nay the very notion of it, as if it were some kind of stupid ideal. True in all societies power matters and there is no such thing as complete democracy, but the disdain some posters above me seem to have towards democracy is incredible. And although this will sound harsh, but I do sincerely hope some dictator uses you for playtoys and see how you like it then.
I wish my English were good enough so I could properly convey my feelings of outrage that I've been feeling ever since Toni said: "Next time you do maxplayers when I'm playing I ban." And the reason he was so straightforward in his threat to abuse power for something which is considered amongst members fo a community as a normal act (letting players join zd even if people are playing) and something that only Toni himself can't handle; the reason for his straightforward threat is this: he himself has often been at the other end of the same stick for the very same unjustifiable reasons. Older players should serve as role models to younger players, the elite has a RESPOSNIBILITY to keep its power in check. The elite is allowed to use the pwoer which stems from the community in order to do good and not to abuse the power which was given to it from US. Their power rests on our shoulders. We should be aware of that power and make use of it.
Toni acting like an ass is just the latest in the series of JJNET blunders, which really couldn't be called blunders as they are obviously conscious and intentional acts of pure sadistic malice. Probably has something to do with Freud. Boem, penis reference.
I'm not really sure what to do about Toni and about the state of things around here in general. It sickens me to hear retarded threats over the internet like that. It's what JJB said when he haid a fight with vegito: if you had said that to me IRL you wouldn't be standing anymore. I guess that at heart I'm just as much an angry ape as Toni. I wanna crack his skull. But I won't do that. I most likely wouldn't do it even if this were and IRL situation. Know why? Because of restraint.
It's a word unknown to admins up here. And frankly wtf is up with that BS division which always gets pointed out: zeal admins and jjnet admins. Who gives a rats ass, you're all the same.
What this community would need is an old fashioned strike. A lockout. Let them have their empty servers.
EDIT: the fact Toni isnt a trustee doesn't change a thing. Oh and the fact Nerd played along with this charade knowing that Toni in fact wasn't part of the crew just makes the whole thing worse. And this also means that one of the better admins (Nerd) has fallen into the same category as the rest - a fallen angel if you will.
I think it's proposterous how Toni behaves.
He states outright that the next time somebody will raise maxplayers while he is playing, he will ban that person.
Because he's not capable of focusing on the game.
I was shocked tbh and I still fail to see the wisdom of having somebody like him as a trustee unless he completely changes his behaviour
With power comes responsibility and this is something the admins here fail to recognize.
Sure DZ owns the place and we should all be thankful to him for hosting splendid servers (dont whine about lag its jj2, and zd's are generally good enough), yet we are talking about a community here.
And I am deeply disturbed when people start saying that discussion is pointless and that kimo should just stfu. In a community things get discussed, or at least they should.
Frankly the longer I'm part of this community the more I'm starting to notice just how flawed it is. I hate bringing up Cooba here, but he is completely right in saying that when it comes to comparing the leaders of two communities - jjnet and j2o - that the latter were a class act whereas the same can not be said of most people here. Power abuse is rampant among even the best of admins (SJ, Nerd), not to even mention some others.
It's not like a mafia, it is mafia.
And every once in a while we have a glimpse of democracy people almost seem to resent the word, nay the very notion of it, as if it were some kind of stupid ideal. True in all societies power matters and there is no such thing as complete democracy, but the disdain some posters above me seem to have towards democracy is incredible. And although this will sound harsh, but I do sincerely hope some dictator uses you for playtoys and see how you like it then.
I wish my English were good enough so I could properly convey my feelings of outrage that I've been feeling ever since Toni said: "Next time you do maxplayers when I'm playing I ban." And the reason he was so straightforward in his threat to abuse power for something which is considered amongst members fo a community as a normal act (letting players join zd even if people are playing) and something that only Toni himself can't handle; the reason for his straightforward threat is this: he himself has often been at the other end of the same stick for the very same unjustifiable reasons. Older players should serve as role models to younger players, the elite has a RESPOSNIBILITY to keep its power in check. The elite is allowed to use the pwoer which stems from the community in order to do good and not to abuse the power which was given to it from US. Their power rests on our shoulders. We should be aware of that power and make use of it.
Toni acting like an ass is just the latest in the series of JJNET blunders, which really couldn't be called blunders as they are obviously conscious and intentional acts of pure sadistic malice. Probably has something to do with Freud. Boem, penis reference.
I'm not really sure what to do about Toni and about the state of things around here in general. It sickens me to hear retarded threats over the internet like that. It's what JJB said when he haid a fight with vegito: if you had said that to me IRL you wouldn't be standing anymore. I guess that at heart I'm just as much an angry ape as Toni. I wanna crack his skull. But I won't do that. I most likely wouldn't do it even if this were and IRL situation. Know why? Because of restraint.
It's a word unknown to admins up here. And frankly wtf is up with that BS division which always gets pointed out: zeal admins and jjnet admins. Who gives a rats ass, you're all the same.
What this community would need is an old fashioned strike. A lockout. Let them have their empty servers.
EDIT: the fact Toni isnt a trustee doesn't change a thing. Oh and the fact Nerd played along with this charade knowing that Toni in fact wasn't part of the crew just makes the whole thing worse. And this also means that one of the better admins (Nerd) has fallen into the same category as the rest - a fallen angel if you will.
@Urbs, with all my honesty, you are totally right. the crew SERIOUSLY needs changes but who's up doing them? the admins don't really EVER pointed out to have a problem with requiring a total new crew, like selections, but changes really need to be done in a while.
i agree they never said everything is ok like that, but they never argued about it either. if they're not up anything, the only ppl who will be able to actually talk here are us
@Urbs, with all my honesty, you are totally right. the crew SERIOUSLY needs changes but who's up doing them? the admins don't really EVER pointed out to have a problem with requiring a total new crew, like selections, but changes really need to be done in a while.
i agree they never said everything is ok like that, but they never argued about it either. if they're not up anything, the only ppl who will be able to actually talk here are us ;-)
well it's like going to a board meeting of Goldman Sachs (a pretty important bank) packing the communist manifesto.
Ur sorta the persona non grata in these here woods and you know it. Same way these fellas know they aren't welcome at j2o.
well it's like going to a board meeting of Goldman Sachs (a pretty important bank:)) packing the communist manifesto.
Ur sorta the persona non grata in these here woods and you know it. Same way these fellas know they aren't welcome at j2o.
What's the problem? Toni doesn't have the pass, never had and just wrote a damn message. Then some dude who's faking is objecting and here we are, drama. No admins played along wtf :p
The only "joke" there apparently was, was them (Toni, Jake, Nerd) deciding not to say Toni never logged in nor had the password fyi. The ban could have been valid either way, if not only for faking. That is checking the rules strictly...
Well, that was just a fucking joke, but KiMO couldn't get it. He got banned for 1d, and then +6d for faking Zoro. Idunno why was the 1st ban for.. Oh I remember... KiMO, YOU WANTED TO BE BANNED, didn't you? You requested it 20 or even 30 times, so Jake did it. Anyway, Veg told everything in this paragraph. Nothing more to say.
Urbs:
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He states outright that the next time somebody will raise maxplayers while he is playing, he will ban that person.Because he's not capable of focusing on the game.
Oh my dear God. Do you think I would ban anyone if the reason was 'raising maxplayers when I play'. Damnit. I didn't know you're a person like that. THIS WAS A JOKE TOO. Just aks gjenka. She was in the server when I told her that I just wrote 'Toni has logged in'. She was kidding like 'don't ban me XD'. After that we jumped (Not her. Me and you urbs) in a 3v3. I can't remember what happened but someone raised maxplayers and I continued the joke like 'I'll ban the next one who raise maxplayers'. Gjenka told 'no ban me XDDDDD' I said 'XDDDD' too.
1) I COULD NOT ban.
2) I WOULD NOT ban.
3) It was a fucking joke with gjenka. Ask her.
Urbs:
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I'd want to smash his head
Why would you? What I did to you. We were friends Urbs. If somebody made your head full of bullshits, then I'm sorry. Nerd, Jake, DZ, Enig and the whole NF knows my real face, when I am serious, and when I am making jokes. I don't know what happened to you...
KiMO:
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the crew SERIOUSLY needs changes
Why? I don't see why. The crew is already doing a great job. What did they do wrong? Nothing. They even were and are perfect .
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I don't get you seriously. You firstly opened a poll to see does people agree for me be a trustee admin, asked some friends to vote for no, STATED WRONG PROOFS etc. and then when I said that this all was a joke, you said 'no, people doesn't like you to be an admin. You see the result'. I really don't care about this 15-20 people who voted for No... actually I do care for some like Urbs, but not for all. What happened to him? I hope he will tell me. There are people what I even never saw in JJ2. And they voted. 2 words: Ha-ha.
@ALL, watch your business. This is a thread made by guy who got ridiculed. I just wanted to make a joke, but he went one step more than I wanted to. I could stop it, but I didn't want to.
Veg:
[quote]What's the problem? Toni doesn't have the pass, never had and just wrote a damn message. Then some dude who's faking is objecting and here we are, drama. No admins played along wtf :p
The only "joke" there apparently was, was them (Toni, Jake, Nerd) deciding not to say Toni never logged in nor had the password fyi. The ban could have been valid either way, if not only for faking. That is checking the rules strictly... [/quote]
Well, that was just a fucking joke, but KiMO couldn't get it. He got banned for 1d, and then +6d for faking Zoro. Idunno why was the 1st ban for.. Oh I remember... KiMO, YOU WANTED TO BE BANNED, didn't you? You requested it 20 or even 30 times, so Jake did it. Anyway, Veg told everything in this paragraph. Nothing more to say.
Urbs:
[quote]He states outright that the next time somebody will raise maxplayers while he is playing, he will ban that person.Because he's not capable of focusing on the game.[/quote]
Oh my dear God. Do you think I would ban anyone if the reason was 'raising maxplayers when I play'. Damnit. I didn't know you're a person like that. THIS WAS A JOKE TOO. Just aks gjenka. She was in the server when I told her that I just wrote 'Toni has logged in'. She was kidding like 'don't ban me XD'. After that we jumped (Not her. Me and you urbs) in a 3v3. I can't remember what happened but someone raised maxplayers and I continued the joke like 'I'll ban the next one who raise maxplayers'. Gjenka told 'no ban me XDDDDD' I said 'XDDDD' too.
1) I COULD NOT ban.
2) I WOULD NOT ban.
3) It was a fucking joke with gjenka. Ask her.
Urbs:
[quote]I'd want to smash his head[/quote]
Why would you? What I did to you. We were friends Urbs. If somebody made your head full of bullshits, then I'm sorry. Nerd, Jake, DZ, Enig and the whole NF knows my real face, when I am serious, and when I am making jokes. I don't know what happened to you...
KiMO:
[quote]the crew SERIOUSLY needs changes[/quote]
Why? I don't see why. The crew is already doing a great job. What did they do wrong? Nothing. They even were and are perfect ;).
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I don't get you seriously. You firstly opened a poll to see does people agree for me be a trustee admin, asked some friends to vote for no, STATED WRONG PROOFS etc. and then when I said that this all was a joke, you said 'no, people doesn't like you to be an admin. You see the result'. I really don't care about this 15-20 people who voted for No... actually I do care for some like Urbs, but not for all. What happened to him? I hope he will tell me. There are people what I even never saw in JJ2. And they voted. 2 words: Ha-ha.
@ALL, watch your business. This is a thread made by guy who got ridiculed. I just wanted to make a joke, but he went one step more than I wanted to. I could stop it, but I didn't want to.
you also voted as "yes" toni on a poll which was about u, so stfu about the ppl who u dont see in jj2. u might dont know them, but they surely know your "face".
im sorry if these so-called "jokes" were supposed to amuse everyone, and we were supposed to be like "HAHA, TONI, WHAT A GOOD JOKE, IM DYING OMG, HAHAHAHA LOL", but making jokes about banning someone when u actually have the power to do that is NOT funny.
ure so dumb that you can't even realize that besides anubis, icek, gienka and the happy nf community which controls everyone and everything, nobody wants u as a trustee. u may dont care about it, but we do.
ure again trying to be mature, stating that ur jokes must be taken as that even tho they're funny or not, and saying that I shouldn't have made this thread at all. who the fuck are u to tell anyone what to do?
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@ALL, watch your business. This is a thread made by guy who got ridiculed. I just wanted to make a joke, but he went one step more than I wanted to. I could stop it, but I didn't want to.
o rly, then why don't u go ahead and delete it u glorious toni, seeing now how many ppl actually don't like you at all?
yes, i totally requested not 20 times, 20000000 times to be banned, it was just me that was being blind and didn't see when I actually said to ban me.. dumb much?
and about the admin problem, dont try to victimize urself because its not working. u urself complained some time ago (I don't remember when) about how admins do their job. so dont try to change ur opinion now because ure the subject in this conversation... i could start a thread about the admins altho lith already did.
ure acting like Urbs expected and knew already. telling us what to do, thinking u are always right, and acting like a whore because of whatever reason. no news, this was already known.
you also voted as "yes" toni on a poll which was about u, so stfu about the ppl who u dont see in jj2. u might dont know them, but they surely know your "face".
im sorry if these so-called "jokes" were supposed to amuse everyone, and we were supposed to be like "HAHA, TONI, WHAT A GOOD JOKE, IM DYING OMG, HAHAHAHA LOL", but making jokes about banning someone when u actually have the power to do that is NOT funny.
ure so dumb that you can't even realize that besides anubis, icek, gienka and the happy nf community which controls everyone and everything, nobody wants u as a trustee. u may dont care about it, but we do.
ure again trying to be mature, stating that ur jokes must be taken as that even tho they're funny or not, and saying that I shouldn't have made this thread at all. who the fuck are u to tell anyone what to do?
[quote]@ALL, watch your business. This is a thread made by guy who got ridiculed. I just wanted to make a joke, but he went one step more than I wanted to. I could stop it, but I didn't want to.[/quote]
o rly, then why don't u go ahead and delete it u glorious toni, seeing now how many ppl actually don't like you at all?
yes, i totally requested not 20 times, 20000000 times to be banned, it was just me that was being blind and didn't see when I actually said to ban me.. dumb much?
and about the admin problem, dont try to victimize urself because its not working. u urself complained some time ago (I don't remember when) about how admins do their job. so dont try to change ur opinion now because ure the subject in this conversation... i could start a thread about the admins altho lith already did.
ure acting like Urbs expected and knew already. telling us what to do, thinking u are always right, and acting like a whore because of whatever reason. no news, this was already known.
You all should know by now that Kimo doesn't like boring jokes being him played on him...
I also think that there is a whole lot less questionable power use going on on jj.net than in the Zeal servers, for the simple reason that there is more accountability
You all should know by now that Kimo doesn't like boring jokes being him played on him...
I also think that there is a whole lot less questionable power use going on on jj.net than in the Zeal servers, for the simple reason that there is more accountability
well imo no side is ever completely innocent in a fight (XD), everyone did a mistake a bit.
you know, toni, imo its about your (and not only yours) generally behaviour. i note that a lot of players behave like an egoist idiots sometimes. for example our last game, you called me for 3v3, few players were idling, you automatically spectated them on and found replacements, but when someone stopped the game, got replaced once again blabalabl, you went afk for quite a long time, so someone spectated you on, we continued playing, after you came back you said 'WTF WHY DIDNT YOU WAIT FOR ME'. thats really pathetic, because you didnt want to wait for others, why everyone would wait for you then? dont think about yourself only, because you will get lost you know, there are sometimes basic rules of behaviour, im dissapointed how you guys often forget about that. and i think this thread is about it basically.
same with you, kimo, i appreciate your all your efforts and committment put into this topic and mainly case, but now its pointless, because, well, toni fooled you and you are still trying to make the biggest drama in the world. dont work yourself up more and more over it. ofc you are sometimes right, but in the most cases you are wrong. i dont know if you are not aware of that or are you just an idiot? i dont want to offence you, but dont be suprised when people say that you are annoying. i know what you want to note here and i agree with you (i mean that admin stuff ofc), but you made this thread toni-offence-biased. thats why there is a big argue now, in all your posts after #59 you are turning things upside down. dont try to explain me here anything, because its just my own opinion, i just wanted to stress something RIGHT??????????
well imo no side is ever completely innocent in a fight (XD), everyone did a mistake a bit.
you know, toni, imo its about your (and not only yours) generally behaviour. i note that a lot of players behave like an egoist idiots sometimes. for example our last game, you called me for 3v3, few players were idling, you automatically spectated them on and found replacements, but when someone stopped the game, got replaced once again blabalabl, you went afk for quite a long time, so someone spectated you on, we continued playing, after you came back you said 'WTF WHY DIDNT YOU WAIT FOR ME'. thats really pathetic, because you didnt want to wait for others, why everyone would wait for you then? dont think about yourself only, because you will get lost :P you know, there are sometimes basic rules of behaviour, im dissapointed how you guys often forget about that. and i think this thread is about it basically.
same with you, kimo, i appreciate your all your efforts and committment put into this topic and mainly case, but now its pointless, because, well, toni fooled you and you are still trying to make the biggest drama in the world. dont work yourself up more and more over it. ofc you are sometimes right, but in the most cases you are wrong. i dont know if you are not aware of that or are you just an idiot? :P i dont want to offence you, but dont be suprised when people say that you are annoying. i know what you want to note here and i agree with you (i mean that admin stuff ofc), but you made this thread toni-offence-biased. thats why there is a big argue now, in all your posts after #59 you are turning things upside down. dont try to explain me here anything, because its just my own opinion, i just wanted to stress something RIGHT??????????
I shouldn`tr have joined the discussion bec dunno how kimo made it to be smth personal by insulting me with no reason,ofc i don`t care that much bec it`s just a rabbit game which i don`t play so often atm but still,i expect a diff behaviour from someone who is accusing others of being unfair and abusive.Like i said,a civilized conversation would have been enough to solve this problem.Just look at the result.
I completely agree with moti.
I shouldn`tr have joined the discussion bec dunno how kimo made it to be smth personal by insulting me with no reason,ofc i don`t care that much bec it`s just a rabbit game which i don`t play so often atm but still,i expect a diff behaviour from someone who is accusing others of being unfair and abusive.Like i said,a civilized conversation would have been enough to solve this problem.Just look at the result.
I completely agree with moti. :D:D
Our argument: UNFAIR UNFAIR UNFAIR
Admins' argument: the crews are separate,stfu or ban
Toni's argument: I IS HAVE NO PASS SO STFU
Other people's argument: this is a bunny game for kids,so stop
Yay for the conversation,GJ on the great comment Urbs.
We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
We ran to the sounds of the thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
and tore the world asunder.
Our argument: UNFAIR UNFAIR UNFAIR
Admins' argument: the crews are separate,stfu or ban
Toni's argument: I IS HAVE NO PASS SO STFU
Other people's argument: this is a bunny game for kids,so stop
Yay for the conversation,GJ on the great comment Urbs.
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you know, there are sometimes basic rules of behaviour, im dissapointed how you guys often forget about that. and i think this thread is about it basically.