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Return to thread2021-03-04 11:58
Let me give you an update on where we are now, based on what I know:

sj and me had a discord chat with a7med lazar naps lahm and urbs being present from gpw. there we presented our concluding point of view about what happened and apologized to a7med/pav and gpw for the things which we believe we did wrong. (Pav wasn’t present in that group due to limited user number. But I guess he got the message.) if you are interested in reading our message, here it is: https://imgur.com/qQpzxxA

Loon had a conversation with lahm where he tried to make peace and apologized to lahm and whole gpw for what he thinks he did wrong.

in the past i asked jjnet crew if we want to post a public concluding statement from our side but I didn’t really get a clear answer.

Next, a few weeks ago we decided to transfer all decision making power for EVERY clanladder-competition related decision from jjnet admins to the (existing) clan councils. I think it applied to rules changes and mapool changes in the past already. Now it includes judgement about rules violations and bans, too. This means that clanladder-competition related decisions are not made by jjnet admins anymore but by the clans who decide things together in a more democratic/fair way with equal power. We had a brief conversation with urbs about the drama recently. Afaik he wanted to read up the gpw chat and talk to gpw. Gpw is invited to be part of decision-making in the council, too. We sent urbs the whole message of that council idea (including all details) and are waiting for him to share it with gpw group chat on discord so you can make up your minds about it. But urbs is not responding anymore for quite some time now lol. So now that you made this post here we might just send you the whole message with all the details via somebody else I guess.

This is where we and jjnet are now. Now let me reply to some of your statements.

“someone develops a new way of playing and because you think your way of playing is great, you presume they cheated.”
--> we accused them of cheating bcs of the “evidence” that was collected. If we had not noticed so many moments in a7med and pav (before knowing about field of vision shift mentioned by SE) then there would not have been any bans in the first place, regardless of people’s personal opinions.

“so, why am i here? “ “im here to help you, to show you the way out of the mud. “ “you still believe gpw cheated then stand for what u believe and ban them, damn the evidence and the jurys and ban them on your power as admin”
--> oh boy that escalated quickly! Jjnet is not Russian/Chinese government. Not caring about evidence would be very arbitrary, mean and unfair. It doesn’t matter whether we personally believe they cheated or not. All that matters is evidence. If all jjnet admins just personally believed a7med/pav cheated but there was zero evidence, then there would have been no bans. Eventho it looked like a clear case to us before knowing about FOV-shift, rushing the bans without discussing the evidence more sufficiently with gpw/3rd party people was kinda arbitrary too, and I apologize for that once more. But again, after reevaluating the evidence and seeing that many moments became unclear jjnet reversed the bans right away instead of justyfing them and everyone is free to play since then. Like I said, the clan council is the judge of cheating accusations now, not jjnet admins.

“some people planing on creating another ladder site.”
--> thats the way to go if you still want to play competitively and hate jjnet so much despite the facts that…
1) jjnet corrected the mistake and unbanned everyone. (everyone is free to play and all of gpw who still wanted to play ladders even after the drama happened could have done so the whole season already - but ye make a new laddersite)
2) the two admins (gry&kyro) which some of gpw complained so much about are totally inactive and have other things to care about.
3) I guess people's/gpw's problems with single admins dont even matter much anymore anyway bcs of 4)
4) all clanladder-competition related decisions are now being made in agreement of all council clans with equal power, instead of jjnet admins, including judgement about rules violations.
5) at least 3 of the involved people tried to make peace and apologized for the things they think they did wrong. While the others myb don’t care at all cuz they are inactive and busy with life or perhaps they just don’t see a mistake bcs...
- myb they think doing the investigation for contributing to fair play was legit (remember there wouldn’t have been bans without finding so many moments in the first place)
- myb they think rushing the bans was legit bcs it looked like a totally clear case to them
- myb they think unbanning a7med/pav right away after reevaluating the evidence corrected the mistake anyway.
Idk what's on their mind regarding all this.